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Is it true that hunting rifles have to be 'cranked' after each time it is shot? I've never hunted so I don't know.

The reason I ask this is because my *friend* (the same guy who was ripping at me about a month ago) was over on Saturday. I guess I started it because I knew he was coming over so I purposely wore my M16 t-shirt :D All day I was called "Ms. NRA, gun totin hillbilly, gun nut, brainwashed cult member, and Mrs Heston" (ya a bunch of clowns eh?) I just laughed and acted like I thought they were some pretty funny guys. At the end of the night my husband says "Yeah tell them where you are going in August" (The TFL meet) So I say "I am going to meet up with some online friends and we are going to have a good time and do some shootin, do you have a problem with that?" Oh boy I opened the can of worms with that one. He is saying I don't need to be a member of a club to shoot guns. I explained he is correct, I don't have to do anything I don't want to, but I chose to join the NRA, WAGC, SAF, and MothersARms because I wanted to, no one put a gun to my head, my life my choice. Well he went on and on and on about the NRA and how they are crazy blah blah blah. He tells me that I already have gun nut friends and anyone of them would take me shooting, I don't need to go to MO to shoot. I mentioned to him that everyone he just named is nothing but a bunch of drug addicted losers, I am NOT going shooting with any one of them thank you. So he says that I should come up to his parents house in WI, his dad owns a bunch of guns and I can shoot all I want. :D So I said sure I will do that too, sounds like fun, but I am still going to MO where I will also have many guns to chose from, preferably the AR15 :D. Here is where the title of my topic comes in. He said "sandy what's the matter with you, don't you know that is an assault rifle?" I told him that I *thought* assualt rifles were automatic, AR's are semiautomatic. He freaked wondering *where* I learned this stuff from LOL. Funny thing is he is trying to explain to me that you can shoot as fast as your finger can hit the trigger (tee hee hee , he has no clue I already shot one :D) So I acted as if I am clueless and didn't know that, I asked what the problem with that was, sounded like fun. He tells me that these guns should only be for military or police. He said that its BS that people claim they use them for hunting, because he used to hunt all the time and NO ONE uses AR's for hunting. He says all hunting rifles you crank the top each time you shoot, so its different. At this point I didn't comment because I have never been hunting so I don't know if he is right or not. So I just said the Constitution doesn't say we can only have a specific type of gun, we have the right to keep and bear arms plain and simple. He says I am insane for wanting one of them and this is not the Sandy that he knew for 25 years. Then they bring up the shooting of my old boyfriend *sigh*, they say I had experience with guns why on earth would I do a complete 360 and change my views. I tried to explain that I educated myself, I didn't know anything about guns other than what Rosie said, so forgive me for learning something new. Anything he threw at me I threw it right back three times harder, I was starting to stump him because all he had left to say at the end was "You dont need a gun you have a five year old in the house". I told him that was the lamest excuse I ever heard. He knows I am not a moron to just leave the gun where she is going to get it, he just has a problem with me wanting a gun. I told him "Karl then basically you are telling me I have no right to defend myself or my daughter should something happen right?" He said no he isn't saying that, he said I should get a knife and take karate lessons. UGHHHHHHH! So that was it I blew up, I said "Look just cause your nothing but a big blubbering baby that will not be a man and protect your family does NOT give you the right to tell me I can't protect my family. I refuse to be a victim and I won't go down without a good fight. When a BG breaks in your home and tries to rape your wife or daughter you sit there and cry buddy, I won't allow it to happen in my house EVER! And if your problem is that you think I can't hit a target lets go to the range and put some money on it, cause I sure in hell ain't gonna let some male tell me I'm not capable of it because I am a female." His face got RED! LMAO Nothing but quiet from everyone after that LOL. By this time it was 2 hours later and he was drunk and couldn't think of a reply to that one :D. I told him next time he wants to start with me about this lets make sure my BIL is here, its not fair when I have 4 guys nagging at me and not a soul on my side. So they stopped the 'debate' and the rest of the night I was called those names again. :rolleyes: I don't get it, he is NOT anti by any means, he likes shooting but he doesn't want me to have a gun. Why is that?? I figured all pro-gun people have respect for others who want to protect themselves. Makes no sense to me at all.

Anyway I was just curious about my original question, in case it comes up again I would like to know what I am talking about. Nothing worse than getting stumped they jump all over you. :mad:

(Oops sorry this was so long once again lol)

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Way to go Ms. D :) Sounds like that guy is in some serious denial over women wanting to be empowered with the right to protect themselves and not need us big macho guys to do it for them. In regards to your question, I think what he's talking about are bolt action rifles and not a semi-auto (like the AR15)for hunting use. I like his description though ;) This guy sure sounds like a winner when it comes to firearms :)

Hope that helps,
Evan
 
'cranked' after each time it is shot? Sorry Miss Demeanors but I have no idea what he is talking about. I've never heard the term cranked when applied to a gun. If he is referring to the action of a rifle with a bolt, then he would be correct for that type of gun, or on a lever gun, referring to working the action. However, there are several hunting rifles out there that are simi-automatic the same as the AR-15. The browning is one that comes to mind. Maybe someone here can give you a complete list of all of the simi-automatic rifles used for hunting. I do know that here on the coastal range of CA, where the deer are small, we have several hunters who use the .223 version of the AR-15 and & other personal defense rifles for hunting.

If he is referring to sighting in the gun he is completly wrong. I sight in my deer rifle just before opening day. I then do not shoot it or clean it until after the season. The reason being is that the accuracy or where the bullet will go changes slightly upon each shot. Cleaning it will adjust where the bullet goes faster than not cleaning it, requiring one to adjust the sights or scope after it is cleaned. Hope this helps.



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I was on my feet halfway through reading that, yelling "YEAH! Kick his @$$!" so loud it woke my beau. Thank you for my morning cardio workout! ;)

In the future, I'd wonder about letting this crew of friends beyond the threshold. Some people just can't be trusted around guns (even bolt- or lever-action hunting rifles :) )

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All I can think of as far as cranking the top is a bolt action rifle.
I’ve never heard it called that however.
Just remember this, if we don’t think like this guy then we are wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Apparently they hunt with Gatling guns where he is from. ;)

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Sandy...EQP told ya...refers to bolt-action rifles. Lift the bolt up, pull back, expended shell ejects, push forward, pull down which seats the next round

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[This message has been edited by DC (edited May 08, 2000).]
 
BWAHAHAHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!

Sorry, Sandy, I know that's your friend, but come on.

A hunting rifle is a rifle you hunt something with. It's like saying "racecar." If you race with a Corvette, that's a racecar, but if you race in European rallies you have to use a little Volkswagen or a Ford Escort--and they're racecars too, since they're used for racing. Your friend hasn't grasped the concept yet.

He probably also thinks Shania Twain is a "country singer" and Neil Young isn't, 'cause that's the way they're labeled. Never mind that Shania Twain lip-synchs to techno-pop and Harvest Moon was almost completely a country album.

Ask him if a bolt-action .50 BMG is a hunting rifle or an assault rifle.
(The correct answer is C, competitive target rifle. :D )
 
Miss D..As EQ stated your friend is likely referring to operating the bolt of a bolt action rifle. As you know from your experience semi auto military style rifles handle the loading for you. Also note there are semi auto hunting rifles as well so not all hunting rifles are bolt action.

You handled yourself well, and your strong response at the end was excellent. Declaring yourself responsible for your own defense can strike at some guys sense of being the only one who can protect a woman. Well, a man is not always with his woman and where they might act in concert when together a woman will have to handle it herself when alone. Thinking women(and their men) know this and act accordingly.

And I love this bit of tortured logic: ".. get a knife and take karate lessons...".

So I can engage in self defense, to the point of using lethal force with a knife but it's wrong to use a gun. As if killing someone with a knife in self defense is somehow the moral high ground of the lethal force continuum versus using a firearm. Pathetic.

Great jobn Miss D..

Chris..
 
Why, oh why do "they" always think it has to be about hunting. It's about having fun and some camaraderie like you seldom find in other sports.

If firing a shot everytime you pull the trigger is fun, then that's why you do it. I dare say the thought of using an AR as an assault rifle never goes through the mind of the AR shooter, but it seems to go through the mind of the non-shooter all the time. Now who is it that has a problem? Jeez, what a crank.
 
In the AR 15 system some of the gas from the expanding gun powder is channeled back to the guns action where it causes the bolt to move back, this ejects the brass case and a huge spring forces the bolt to move forward. The bolt picks up a new ammo round from the magazine and locks the action shut. Pulling the trigger again causes the process to repeat. This cycle happens in a second.

Here is a web animation of an AK action. http://club.guns.ru/images/ak_anim.gif
Its a semi auto that uses an internal operating rod.

On a bolt action all the gas goes out the barrel end and the shooter provides the cartrige clearing and loading via a short operating rod. You lift it up, this unlocks the action and slide the bolt back, clearing the spent round and sliding the bolt foreward chambers a new round of ammo. This takes a couplke of seconds and the gun is moved off target while you perform the procedure.

Another common way to reload a rifle is the lever action, where a loop on the bottom of the rifle proves the manual leverage to cycle the action.

HTH

dZ
 
You know, I've never had to "crank" any firearm. Is that a key ignition, push button, pull start, crank-handle or what? Mine seem to shoot just fine without "cranking" them up first.

Seriously, anybody that talks about "cranking" a rifle has no business arguing with you about AR's or offering to take you shooting. If you go with them, keep your eye on them - idiots like that can get you killed.

As far as hunting rifles go, there basically 3 types of "modern" actions.

You've got your semi-autos - many people prefer to hunt with them. Functionally, they're the same as an AR - the only differences are cosmetic (like external vs. internal magazine). 1 trigger pull = 1 shot; the action only has to be manually operated for the first round. The best example of a hunting rifle that comes to my mind is the Browning BAR hunting rifle (not the M1918).

Then there are lever actions. Like the old cowboy rifles that John Wayne & Chuck Conners carried - these are almost a purely American rifle. They're quite popular still, very much so down here in GA - easy to operate, allow fairly rapid fire, and are generally pretty light & handy. The action has to be manually operated after each shot to eject the spent round and load a new one into the chamber.

Then there are bolt-actions. in a bolt-action, the bolt is operated by a bolt handle attached directly to the bolt. To operate, you push the bolt handle upward to unlock it, pull it rapidly to the rear to eject a spent cartridge, then push it forward (loading a new cartridge into the chamber and cocking the firing mechanism), and push the bolt down to lock it. If you watch Saving Private Ryan, the German infantrymen and the American sniper are carrying bolt actions.

At one time or another these basic types of rifle have all represented the latest in military technology for the infantryman/calvaryman. None of these were developed for hunting. Then again, neither was the metallic cartridge, matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, etc., etc.
 
Way to go Miss D (*April* :))!!!!!!
Maybe he was thinking of CARS that you used to have to crank to get the engine started...or his brain maybe? LOL ;)

Why do people insist on calling them "assault rifles," anyway. Do the rifles assault people? Do they take over your brain if you touch them and make you assault someone? "This gun is to be used solely for the purpose of asaault." *gripe*

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So I just said the Constitution doesn't say we can only have a specific type of gun, we have the right to keep and bear arms plain and simple. [/quote]

Good going! :) :) :)

BTW, I think in MO, we'll have to take a picture of you in a toga to show everyone when you get back! LOL :D

[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited May 08, 2000).]
 
But that's not the real issue anyway. The point is, he sees no need for you to have a gun or to go somewhere on your own to shoot--because there are big strong men around who will "take you shooting" if you want.
Kinda like wives who don't NEED a job, because their big strong husbands will dole out money as they need it.

He's your friend so it's your call, but he sounds to me like he's got a lot of growing up to do. You are not obligated to be defenseless by refusing to have a gun but allowing yourself to be "taken shooting" just for fun by some guy. You are also not obligated to prove some kind of "sporting use" for every gun. Very few people, except maybe varminters, do hunt with ARs. So what? You were discussing gun ownership, not hunting regulations, fer Pete's sake.

Oh, and I hunt with a semi-auto shotgun that could be fired just as fast as an AR15 if I felt like it. The difference is that it has a pretty wood stock and people like your friend don't get twinges of irrational fear when they see it:

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[This message has been edited by Don Gwinn (edited May 08, 2000).]
 
Ms. D.

WAY TO KICK HIS INTELLECTUAL A$$!!

Your response concerning his manhood was spot on!

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Oops my bad here. I used the word "crank" not him. He was showing me with his hands and from that it looked like he was cranking something. He never used proper terminology so that was just the best way I could describe it. I figured someone would figure out what it is I was trying to say LOL. So sorry about that term, I really didn't know what it was called. Glad someone understood lol.

So people do hunt with AR's then right? I'm guessing its just not real common. I had made that comment too about an AR having the same capablities as a hunting rifle and people just label it as assault rifle because of the way it looks. But then I become 'brainwashed' when I say that :rolleyes: To me, I don't care what people hunt with, they are the hunters, not me, they can use whatever they feel necessary, I don't care. My BIL is a hunter and thats why I wished he was there. He is also an NRA member so that would be a plus too :). When too many people are throwing things at me I get confused LOL and that hunting thing threw me off......way off. He says he took that NRA hunting course and has a certificate too (big deal) so he knows what he is talking about. I was *so* tempted to bring him in the house, get online, and let him post his remarks here, but I would never hear the end of the internet psychos, so I didn't do it.

Yes, he is a moron about this whole thing but he is like a brother to me even though we don't agree on everything. I can deal with it, they pick on me for all other things too so really this is nothing new and no big deal. But it sure is nice to fight back with real answers, he even said himself "Geez you have an answer for everything don't you" :D At the end they started telling him to shut up because the more he threw stuff at me the more pumped up I was getting :D They just get bored and have nothing better to do, its a tradtion around here pick on Sandy is the fun thing to do. I really don't care but I want to make sure I know what I am talking about once I slip up thats it I never hear the end of it.

Cindy.....Oh you can bet I will take pictures! :) I'm living for that moment when I show them the pics of me and gun nut cult friends LOL!

Don....I have to introduce you to him one day I think I would pay to sit and hear that conversation LOL. He isn't mean when he talking about this stuff, he is a very easy going guy believe it or not, he just thinks he has it all figured out when in reality he doesn't.

I asked them what they would do if someone broke into their home the first reponse I got was "No one is going to break in here Sandy, you live in the suburbs" (yep and there was an attempted robbery at the gas station last night, armed man running through the neighborhood....nah it can't happen here :rolleyes :) Then I asked again, they said they would beat the s... out of the guy AFTER his attack killer dog got to him. LMAO Ya, he has a nasty dog that I will admit but I sure in hell wouldn't trust my life in a dogs hands (teeth?). He said that he would get a bat or golf club and that the BG wouldn't have a chance. LOL!! Whatever I say! I told him to remember he is about 6 feet tall 200 pounds, I am 5'5 110 pounds a BG will sit there and laugh if I try to kick his a..! Not admitting I am a wimp because I am SURE I could do damage but I can not and will not rely on that.

BTW....none of these guys are big macho guys, if it came down to something happenening and I had a gun, they would all be behind me whimpering like a bunch of 2 year olds. I've seen each and everyone of them get into a major fight over the years and from seeing that I would NOT trust anyone of them with my life. I'll take care of myself thank you. :)
 
ARs are fine for hunting small game, like prairie rats or coyotes. In Colorado, they're illegal for large game (deer and bigger) since the small caliber compared to the animal's mass makes a humane, one-shot kill less likely (hunters, put the flamethrowers on safe). If you get a 7.62 upper, however, it's legal.

People do the hysterical pee-pee dance about the AR simply because it looks evil to them. Personally, I think they're beautiful, but that's just me.
 
Go get um girl. ;) I think what he means by cranked is “cracked”, and he is clueless of why they are called that, it's a single shot or double barrel rifle or shotgun. They break, or "crack" where barrel and breach face meet. Hence the nick name crack barrels, as apposed to bolt action, pump or semi auto.

Then again maybe he hunted with a Gatlin Gun. :D Every time you turn the crank it shoots. Really really fast :D :D

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[This message has been edited by Jerry45 (edited May 08, 2000).]
 
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