IS there a difference between TFL women and "average" women?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre:
GD,
Another technique that you may not have seen is a smart rap with a "knocking" type motion on the back of an assailant's grabbing hand. Works like a charm on most (except we mutants)![/quote]
We few, we happy few, we band of mutants
~With due apologies to Will S.
GD,
Another technique that you may not have seen is a smart rap with a "knocking" type motion on the back of an assailant's grabbing hand. Works like a charm on most (except we mutants)![/quote]
We few, we happy few, we band of mutants
~With due apologies to Will S.
Lots of good responses here, duck hunt's makes tons of sense. I think women are usually taught to be nurturing and caring rather than agressive like men. Girls play with dolls, boys play with GI joe and toy guns; well they used to. It's hard to teach someone "not to be food". Most people don't want to believe that something bad can/might happen to them.
Sometimes it takes a close call or an actual incident and sadly sometimes that doesn't do anything to change their minds and they blame something else like guns. I always feel it's better to be prepared and have something and not need it rather than need something and not have it.
It must be remembered that whether you have martial arts training, a knife, gun, stick or whatever, you won't always be able to protect yourself 100% of the time. There's no guarantee that a gun or any other tool is going to help you protect yourself; have to keep a reasonble perspective.
However, I do feel that the former things can up the ante in a person's favor. I guess it depends on what people view what their life is worth. They'll spend thousands on a new SUV but won't fork out a few bills for a gun and some training. What's nice about a gun is that much of the time, it's mere presentation can end a possible confrontation without any physical involvement.
I agree with Miss D in that firearms training should be part of martial arts training but weapons training like knives and sticks is often absent as well and if it's present, it's usually for show. Too often, I see martial arts training as unarmed defense when it should be about saving your *ss any which way you can. If no gun is available, keys, pens, pencils, rolled-up magazines and newspapers, hairbrushes can make for decent weapons and can increase hitting power dramatically. No sense in playing fair when the perp doesn't want to.
BTW, I've found that many joint locking techniques, especially to the wrist, don't work so well in realtime. The immediate response for most people when grabbed is to pull away. Snaking the arm with your arm or grabbing and manipulating the fingers is a much better way to go; it's much easier to illicit pain and pulling away can result in more pain, whereas a grabbed wrist can be easily defeated before pain is applied.
Not to put down joint-locking arts but I've found that unless someone has been rigorously training in them, they are often surprised how easily they can be broken free. If you want to apply joint techniques, give a good shot to the head, eyes, or body first to occupy them and then go for a lock.
Some cool targets are the eyes, nose, neck, facial nerve behind the jaw, groin, knees, ears, top of the foot, back of the hand, armpit, upper trapezius muscle; a good strike or grab these places might just ruin someone's day.
Sometimes it takes a close call or an actual incident and sadly sometimes that doesn't do anything to change their minds and they blame something else like guns. I always feel it's better to be prepared and have something and not need it rather than need something and not have it.
It must be remembered that whether you have martial arts training, a knife, gun, stick or whatever, you won't always be able to protect yourself 100% of the time. There's no guarantee that a gun or any other tool is going to help you protect yourself; have to keep a reasonble perspective.
However, I do feel that the former things can up the ante in a person's favor. I guess it depends on what people view what their life is worth. They'll spend thousands on a new SUV but won't fork out a few bills for a gun and some training. What's nice about a gun is that much of the time, it's mere presentation can end a possible confrontation without any physical involvement.
I agree with Miss D in that firearms training should be part of martial arts training but weapons training like knives and sticks is often absent as well and if it's present, it's usually for show. Too often, I see martial arts training as unarmed defense when it should be about saving your *ss any which way you can. If no gun is available, keys, pens, pencils, rolled-up magazines and newspapers, hairbrushes can make for decent weapons and can increase hitting power dramatically. No sense in playing fair when the perp doesn't want to.
BTW, I've found that many joint locking techniques, especially to the wrist, don't work so well in realtime. The immediate response for most people when grabbed is to pull away. Snaking the arm with your arm or grabbing and manipulating the fingers is a much better way to go; it's much easier to illicit pain and pulling away can result in more pain, whereas a grabbed wrist can be easily defeated before pain is applied.
Not to put down joint-locking arts but I've found that unless someone has been rigorously training in them, they are often surprised how easily they can be broken free. If you want to apply joint techniques, give a good shot to the head, eyes, or body first to occupy them and then go for a lock.
Some cool targets are the eyes, nose, neck, facial nerve behind the jaw, groin, knees, ears, top of the foot, back of the hand, armpit, upper trapezius muscle; a good strike or grab these places might just ruin someone's day.
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A few tips I learned: When walking to your car keep one of your keys stuck in between your knuckles so that the pointy part of it is sticking out, this way if attacked take a good punch right in the eyes, I guarentee they won't see anything for awhile. 
I have a habit of this, I do it almost everytime I walk to my car. Also if you can grab the attackers hair, get a good grip and slam his head onto your knee , then a kick in the face, kick in the head and RUN!!! Also if you are using mace or pepper spray instead of spraying him and immediately running give him a good kick in the groin while he is blinded, this gives you extra time to get away, maybe he will even still be on the ground when the police get there . If the attacker grabs your purse with straps on it, as he has two hands on the straps pulling it away from you his hands are occupied, kick him in the groin, he should bend down, then kick him the face a few times. If he has you from behind wack your elbows into his gut as hard as possible to free yourself.
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I have a habit of this, I do it almost everytime I walk to my car. Also if you can grab the attackers hair, get a good grip and slam his head onto your knee , then a kick in the face, kick in the head and RUN!!! Also if you are using mace or pepper spray instead of spraying him and immediately running give him a good kick in the groin while he is blinded, this gives you extra time to get away, maybe he will even still be on the ground when the police get there . If the attacker grabs your purse with straps on it, as he has two hands on the straps pulling it away from you his hands are occupied, kick him in the groin, he should bend down, then kick him the face a few times. If he has you from behind wack your elbows into his gut as hard as possible to free yourself.I show no mercy as you can tell
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss Demeanors:
When walking to your car keep one of your keys stuck in between your knuckles so that the pointy part of it is sticking out, this way if attacked take a good punch right in the eyes, I guarentee they won't see anything for awhile[/quote]
I'm going to speak verrrrrrry slowwwwwly:
BUY..........A..........GUN.
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*quack*
When walking to your car keep one of your keys stuck in between your knuckles so that the pointy part of it is sticking out, this way if attacked take a good punch right in the eyes, I guarentee they won't see anything for awhile[/quote]
I'm going to speak verrrrrrry slowwwwwly:
BUY..........A..........GUN.
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*quack*
Miss Demeanors
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Can't carry in IL Duck Hunt, of course the gun would top that, but seeing I can't carry that is just another form of protection, better that than nothing
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to grip, AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath.[/quote]
I'm not officially trained in self defense or anything, but I think a good idea regarding the neck would be to PUNCH him in the throat. That would hurt no matter how strong you are/aren't.
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"...you gotta ask yourself one question...do I feel *lucky*?"
I'm not officially trained in self defense or anything, but I think a good idea regarding the neck would be to PUNCH him in the throat. That would hurt no matter how strong you are/aren't.
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"...you gotta ask yourself one question...do I feel *lucky*?"
Miss Demeanors
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Headlock?? LOL How about keying them in the neck? LOL
Miss D,
Concealed carry laws, or lack thereof, should not hinder someone in the aquisition of a HOME defence gun. For example, a single barrel 12 bore if money is tight.
Many on The Firing Line live in areas where Concealed Carry is prohibited. But you'll find an AR15, Remmington 870, and Glock27 in their house. RKBA can be partialy practiced without toting a Super Custom $2,000 compact .45 auto, despite what gun mags say.
Oh, I forgot. LOL
[This message has been edited by Shin-Tao (edited May 11, 2000).]
Concealed carry laws, or lack thereof, should not hinder someone in the aquisition of a HOME defence gun. For example, a single barrel 12 bore if money is tight.
Many on The Firing Line live in areas where Concealed Carry is prohibited. But you'll find an AR15, Remmington 870, and Glock27 in their house. RKBA can be partialy practiced without toting a Super Custom $2,000 compact .45 auto, despite what gun mags say.
Oh, I forgot. LOL
[This message has been edited by Shin-Tao (edited May 11, 2000).]
Single-barrel 12ga (such as H&R) kicks like hell. I'd stick more less damaging weapons for starters. Used 20ga shotguns can be had for $150, same for .38 revolvers, Makarov pistols. If you are in IL and need to go with a shoulder arm, at least you'd get much more power for your $$ with a shotgun, a rifle or a carbine.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So, what's a "headtrap?" [/quote]
oops, sorry, did that sound like one of my usual smarta$$ comments? I was really wondering if it was some kind of defensive move?
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"...you gotta ask yourself one question...do I feel *lucky*?"
oops, sorry, did that sound like one of my usual smarta$$ comments? I was really wondering if it was some kind of defensive move?
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"...you gotta ask yourself one question...do I feel *lucky*?"
Miss Demeanors
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[This message has been edited by Miss Demeanors (edited May 11, 2000).]
Miss Demeanors
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Sorry Shin, the clue bat just wacked me
Just ignore me its been a long week LOL.
Just ignore me its been a long week LOL.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glamdring:
CindyH suggested starting another thread in response to my question about trying to change the conditioning that most women have "to be nice". In conection to Self Defense training.
How do you teach someone "not to be food" [as Clint Smith puts it]?
Please discribe for us the "proper mental attitude."
Amy
Teaching a proper mindset is sometimes difficult with men. But in my experiance I have much more trouble getting women to accept a proper metal outlook and attitude than men.[/quote]
CindyH suggested starting another thread in response to my question about trying to change the conditioning that most women have "to be nice". In conection to Self Defense training.
How do you teach someone "not to be food" [as Clint Smith puts it]?
Please discribe for us the "proper mental attitude."
Amy
Teaching a proper mindset is sometimes difficult with men. But in my experiance I have much more trouble getting women to accept a proper metal outlook and attitude than men.[/quote]
Amy,
You have to put your comments OUTSIDE the quote marks for us to distinguish which are yours.
The proper attitude is that of being willing to do whatever it takes for you and yours to go home in one piece. I personally feel this starts with acknowledging your own worth. If you need some help with this, I can give some tips from a Christian standpoint, as I know you're a believer.
You have to put your comments OUTSIDE the quote marks for us to distinguish which are yours.
The proper attitude is that of being willing to do whatever it takes for you and yours to go home in one piece. I personally feel this starts with acknowledging your own worth. If you need some help with this, I can give some tips from a Christian standpoint, as I know you're a believer.
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