Is the norm for the 1911

It would come in handy if the gun could be reliably unloaded with the magazine out and a live ball round in the chamber.
Like, for example, when the RO sez "unload and show clear" at a match.
Or when getting ready to clean it.
And some other times.
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The op's piece is reliable for that, all he's got to do is tilt and shake.

tipoc
 
Gunslick said:
So springer functions great. I noticed with springer ectraxtor and Wilson. The gun ejects great but if I chamber one round and drop the mg and try to eject that one round with no mag supporting it, as the shell is being manually extracted from the chamber it get calked and the nose of the fmj gets hung up on the front of the slide cutout and went eject. If I fire the pistol with one round and no mag it extracts and ejects perfect. Is this one or those things where I shouldn't be hand cycling to try and determine an issue that doesn't exist weapon runs malfunction free.
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This post is painful to read.

To your question, many pistols function weird once the magazine is removed.

Still, it should eject a live round without having to keep an empty magazine in place.
 
I m with 44 on this. To say that a 1911 was not designed to eject a live round, assumes that was not a normal part of the operation of the pistol. Ejecting a live round is absolutely a normal operation and the ability to do so is intrinsic to its operation.
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If the slide were running at full speed, like it was DESIGNED to do, I would guess it will eject just fine.

The OP states the pistol extracts the live round and the ejector tilts it up........ I doubt the slide is being worked with the authority it should be worked with if the round is just stopping right there, tight in the ejection port.........

And no, ejecting live rounds is not what the gun was designed to do.......It was designed to be fired and eject empty casings.
 
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Tilt and Shake?"
Sounds like some new fangled kind of dance.
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I am with you g.

I have an older refrigerator that works perfectly keeping things cold or frozen, what it was designed to do. For the last couple of years, the button switch that turns on the interior light when the door opens will occasionally stick. While the interior light is secondary to its primary function it is not unreasonable to expect the light to come on when the door is opened. Since it is an older unit, and wiggling it a bit "fixes" the problem I don't worry much about it. That does not mean it was designed to require wiggling...just too much trouble to replace...
 
I am not sure what connection a 1911 pistol has to do with a refrigerator, but I guess there must be one.

Yes, the 1911 should eject a live round from the chamber, whether or not a magazine is in place. (Otherwise, how would a user eject a dud round?) Immediate action, if a round fails to fire, is to eject the chambered round and chamber a fresh one. (Range procedure usually is to drop the magazine first, but that would not be done in combat.)

If a chambered round will extract from the chamber but won't eject, the most common problem is that the extractor tension is not enough to hold the round in position to meet the ejector.

Jim
 
Its the stainless 1911 A1.
It does eject a live round WITH magazine in it, I can load 8 rounds and load and unload them as fast as I can and all of them will eject perfectly. It is only sometimes if I -CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED- foot the slide back WITHOUT a mag where it gets a little hung up. If I rack it like I mean it, it ejects no matter what.
This also did this with the stock parts every once in a while. It is 100% functional and reliable.
 
And no, ejecting live rounds is not what the gun was designed to do.......It was designed to be fired and eject empty casings.
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree , your very limited definition of what the gun was designed to do is not complete. Firing and ejecting empties is not the only thing the gun is designed to do. Thinking a gun is not designed to be unloaded (without firing) is simply ignoring reality. EVERYTHING you find in the manual of arms (operating instructions) is something the gun is designed to do. EVERY GUN.

Even muzzleloaders have the "worm" or "screw" so they can have the load pulled without firing. The idea of being able to remove an unfired round is one of the basic things guns are designed to be able to do. And they are designed to do it being worked by hand, at hand operating speeds.

A friend of mine had this issue with his 1911 repro. It turned out that the gun had the wrong ejector installed in it at the factory!
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To expand on this case, my friend's gun was supposed to be a 1911, actually a reproduction 1918 model, with all the proper correct markings, etc. When I got to look at it, I noticed it had one of the "long nose" ejectors, which I thought (correctly) was not the right part for a 1911.

He had taken the gun to the range a couple times, fired a couple of mags each time, shooting the gun dry, reloading, doing it again. No issues at all, everything worked fine.

The gun also ejected snap caps normally (by hand). So we began experimenting, and discovered that while it would eject a snap cap with the Ball ammo profile, ACTUAL ball ammo would jam against the inside of the slide, just below the ejection port opening, requiring the slide be held back by hand, and then a "third hand" using a tool to PRY the live round loose. (the jammed round would not allow the slide to move back far enough to engage the slide stop)

A JHP round, with its shorter nose profile worked normally. ONLY regular GI ball 230gr FMJ RN jammed. (did not test with other 230gr loads)

The gun went back to the maker, and came back with the correct ejector, and an apology, as well as all costs paid by the maker.

Proper function of the pistol, all its functions, requires the right parts, working together, in the proper TIMING. We focus on feeding live rounds, firing, extracting and ejecting the empties more than on ejecting unfired rounds, but that is part of the proper operation of the pistol, as well.

The unfired round should fly out when the slide is worked by hand. One should not have to turn the gun upside down, and or wiggle it in any special way to get a live round to eject. If you do, your gun is malfunctioning, and should be looked at by someone who knows what they are doing, to determine exactly why, and what to fix.
 
Mine has the correct short ejector, it ejects live rounds just fine WITH THE MAGAZINE IN and sometimes does not with the magazine removed. I was not pulling on the slide hard enough because now its not doing it at all. And ya JHP have shorter noses so there is no issue there but if I just rack the slide like a man it doesn't jame....without a magazine in.
 
I can think of no reason why one would remove the magazine if the gun is still loaded except if one experiences a type 3 malfunction or if you want to completely unload a gun that has a round in the chamber. I am not a fan of trying to fire the gun without a magazine in place. Some guns will not fire without a magazine in place.
 
Mine has the correct short ejector, it ejects live rounds just fine WITH THE MAGAZINE IN and sometimes does not with the magazine removed. I was not pulling on the slide hard enough because now its not doing it at all. And ya JHP have shorter noses so there is no issue there but if I just rack the slide like a man it doesn't jame....without a magazine in.
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So there we go from the op. If he rack the slide, with the mag removed, and with some authority he has no problems with the live round ejecting. If he racks the slide too slowly he'll have to shake it some to get the round to drop free.

It is not a big issue.

tipoc
 
Yes, I agree. As now more fully described by the OP I would judge this to be normal behavior for a model 1911.
 
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So, slow cycling by hand, as the round is extracted from the chamber it tilts upward and gets caught up on the ejection port. So the extractor works fine...it extracts the live round from the chamber. The ejector then tilts the round upward, so that does it's job. But then the round hangs up on the ejection port, which is already lowered and flared.
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I must have missed something. There are no photos, and I don't believe the OP has identified to model or vintage of the pistol. How do you know the ejection port is lowered AND flared?
 
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree , your very limited definition of what the gun was designed to do is not complete. Firing and ejecting empties is not the only thing the gun is designed to do. Thinking a gun is not designed to be unloaded (without firing) is simply ignoring reality. EVERYTHING you find in the manual of arms (operating instructions) is something the gun is designed to do. EVERY GUN.
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That's like saying a bucket was made to dump water out of. You CAN dump water out of a bucket, but that wasn't the greater design purpose.
 
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