So springer functions great. I noticed with springer ectraxtor and Wilson. The gun ejects great but if I chamber one round and drop the mg and try to eject that one round with no mag supporting it, as the shell is being manually extracted from the chamber it get calked and the nose of the fmj gets hung up on the front of the slide cutout and went eject. If I fire the pistol with one round and no mag it extracts and ejects perfect. Is this one or those things where I shouldn't be hand cycling to try and determine an issue that doesn't exist weapon runs malfunction free.
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Is the norm for the 1911
- Thread starter Gunslick
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weapon runs malfunction free.
You answered your own question.
From your description,the only time this is an issue in unloading.
When you would pull the mag and clear the chamber.
You can choose to eject the round and pick it up off the ground.I would guess tuning the ejector or a slight adjustment(chamfer) for the ejection port might fix it...
However,if instead of pinching the slide like a slingshot,put your palm over the top of the slide and draw the slide back with the gun rolled to the right.The round should fall into your hand.While you are in that pose,its easy to thumb the slide stop up,locking the slide back.
When you would pull the mag and clear the chamber.
You can choose to eject the round and pick it up off the ground.I would guess tuning the ejector or a slight adjustment(chamfer) for the ejection port might fix it...
However,if instead of pinching the slide like a slingshot,put your palm over the top of the slide and draw the slide back with the gun rolled to the right.The round should fall into your hand.While you are in that pose,its easy to thumb the slide stop up,locking the slide back.
It only happens when i eject the mag with FMJ (doesn't do it with JHP) then eject the FMJ without the mag supporting the round. Did some research and this seems to be normal. The 1911 was not meant to extract live ball ammo especially without a magazine in to support it, darn thing ejects just fine during live fire. And yes if I turn it upside down and hold my hand over it the FMJ ejects. Thanks guys. Case closed.
....oh ya one more thing..the Wolff recoil spring came with a new firing pin spring. Should I removed the titanium firing pin which has gave me no problems and has about 1000 rounds though it, with the Wolff firing pin spring and my Ed Brown #826 firing pin? I would like to keep running the Springer titanium pin if you guys think it will hold up to some high round counts.
It's not terribly uncommon for semi-auto pistols to exhibit unusual ejection behavior when a magazine is not in place.
That's not really what's happening in your case since you're talking about ejecting a live (or at least an unfired) round.
I suppose it's possible that in a self-defense situation you might need to eject a live round (or a round that misfired) without the magazine in place, but it's kind of unlikely--and it's even more unlikely that you'd be doing so with an FMJ round.
But crazy things sometimes happen. So make sure it works with your carry ammo and then I think you can forget about it.
That's not really what's happening in your case since you're talking about ejecting a live (or at least an unfired) round.
I suppose it's possible that in a self-defense situation you might need to eject a live round (or a round that misfired) without the magazine in place, but it's kind of unlikely--and it's even more unlikely that you'd be doing so with an FMJ round.
But crazy things sometimes happen. So make sure it works with your carry ammo and then I think you can forget about it.
Normal means it is what is commonly found, doesn't mean it is RIGHT.
I think this "explanation" was dreamed up by someone other than Browning.
What gun ISN'T make to extract and eject the live round it was made to shoot??
What you have is a tuning issue, most likely. One not usually addressed, because its not something usually considered.
A friend of mine had this issue with his 1911 repro. It turned out that the gun had the wrong ejector installed in it at the factory!
Worked fine with a snap cap, or JHP ammo, and of course, fired empties, but would NOT eject a loaded 230gr ball round, it jammed, mag in, or mag out made no difference. In his case, it was the wrong part. In your case, I think its a matter of tuning the gun just a little bit. IF it matters to you.
The 1911 was not meant to extract live ball ammo especially without a magazine in to support it,
I think this "explanation" was dreamed up by someone other than Browning.
What gun ISN'T make to extract and eject the live round it was made to shoot??
What you have is a tuning issue, most likely. One not usually addressed, because its not something usually considered.
A friend of mine had this issue with his 1911 repro. It turned out that the gun had the wrong ejector installed in it at the factory!
Worked fine with a snap cap, or JHP ammo, and of course, fired empties, but would NOT eject a loaded 230gr ball round, it jammed, mag in, or mag out made no difference. In his case, it was the wrong part. In your case, I think its a matter of tuning the gun just a little bit. IF it matters to you.
g.willikers
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Maybe working the slide with "more authority" would help.
Think of how fast the slide comes back when the gun is fired.
P.S.
I've probably used just about every kind of ammo that's out there in my 1911 and have never run into this problem.
Just eject that round, including ball ammo, like you mean it.
Think of how fast the slide comes back when the gun is fired.
P.S.
I've probably used just about every kind of ammo that's out there in my 1911 and have never run into this problem.
Just eject that round, including ball ammo, like you mean it.
polyphemus
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OP,your question has an answer.No your issue is not normal.
You have been swapping parts in that pistol and it is likely that it may have lost
some functionality in the process.It could well be that returning it to its original
config. clears it.And if it it doesn't then you might give the folks at Geneo a call
and ask them what their thoughts are on the subject.
You have been swapping parts in that pistol and it is likely that it may have lost
some functionality in the process.It could well be that returning it to its original
config. clears it.And if it it doesn't then you might give the folks at Geneo a call
and ask them what their thoughts are on the subject.
If the gun has an extended ejector but does not have any sort of "relief" at the front of the ejection port, it's very possible that the gun will not readily eject live hardball.
The mag, with rounds in it, is definitely an "ejection assist", and guns that run perfectly when there are rounds in the mag, will not necessarily do so if there's no mag in place.
And, you lose this assist with extended ejectors because the rim hits the ejector before the magazine has been completely uncovered.
I haven't seen any benefit to extended ejectors in 5" .45s, though they might be necessary in short-barreled guns with a shorter, faster slide stroke.
My compact has a long ejector and ejects hardball just fine, so the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The mag, with rounds in it, is definitely an "ejection assist", and guns that run perfectly when there are rounds in the mag, will not necessarily do so if there's no mag in place.
And, you lose this assist with extended ejectors because the rim hits the ejector before the magazine has been completely uncovered.
I haven't seen any benefit to extended ejectors in 5" .45s, though they might be necessary in short-barreled guns with a shorter, faster slide stroke.
My compact has a long ejector and ejects hardball just fine, so the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
What model SA 1911 do you have?
Obviously, an empty fired cartridge case is shorter and will eject from a small port much more easily than an unfired cartridge.
If you have a "GI 45" model Springer with the original GI size ejection port it might have difficulty ejecting live rounds even with the stock shorter Government style ejector.
Obviously, an empty fired cartridge case is shorter and will eject from a small port much more easily than an unfired cartridge.
If you have a "GI 45" model Springer with the original GI size ejection port it might have difficulty ejecting live rounds even with the stock shorter Government style ejector.
Seems, no wait, not seems, it is a non-issue.
So, slow cycling by hand, as the round is extracted from the chamber it tilts upward and gets caught up on the ejection port. So the extractor works fine...it extracts the live round from the chamber. The ejector then tilts the round upward, so that does it's job. But then the round hangs up on the ejection port, which is already lowered and flared.
The op has said that firing the pistol with a single round in it and no mag it works fine, "perfect" he said.
So cycling slowly by hand, if he tilts the pistol to the right and gives it a shake, the round will likely drop out. Might even drop out if he puts more vigor into racking the slide. I can't think of a reason to tune a pistol so that the unfired live round will drop free from the ejection port when the gun works fine when actually fired.
tipoc
So springer functions great. I noticed with springer ectraxtor and Wilson. The gun ejects great but if I chamber one round and drop the mg and try to eject that one round with no mag supporting it, as the shell is being manually extracted from the chamber it get calked and the nose of the fmj gets hung up on the front of the slide cutout and went eject. If I fire the pistol with one round and no mag it extracts and ejects perfect. Is this one or those things where I shouldn't be hand cycling to try and determine an issue that doesn't exist weapon runs malfunction free.
So, slow cycling by hand, as the round is extracted from the chamber it tilts upward and gets caught up on the ejection port. So the extractor works fine...it extracts the live round from the chamber. The ejector then tilts the round upward, so that does it's job. But then the round hangs up on the ejection port, which is already lowered and flared.
The op has said that firing the pistol with a single round in it and no mag it works fine, "perfect" he said.
So cycling slowly by hand, if he tilts the pistol to the right and gives it a shake, the round will likely drop out. Might even drop out if he puts more vigor into racking the slide. I can't think of a reason to tune a pistol so that the unfired live round will drop free from the ejection port when the gun works fine when actually fired.
tipoc
polyphemus
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tears on my 1911's
The ejected shells out of one of my pistols insisted on hitting the inside edge of
the port on the left side,the one in my Rand has a nice bevel on it so I removed the pesky obstruction,didn't need much.That one has a short ejector standard size opening.I think I read in one of Mr Kuhnhausen's treatises that
extended ejectors require an enlarged port and the tear drop relief,I can see the enlarged opening(the bigger the better)but for the life of me I can't see where that modification does anything,at least on my pistols the shells go up and out the port and don't come anywhere near that tear drop cut.
The ejected shells out of one of my pistols insisted on hitting the inside edge of
the port on the left side,the one in my Rand has a nice bevel on it so I removed the pesky obstruction,didn't need much.That one has a short ejector standard size opening.I think I read in one of Mr Kuhnhausen's treatises that
extended ejectors require an enlarged port and the tear drop relief,I can see the enlarged opening(the bigger the better)but for the life of me I can't see where that modification does anything,at least on my pistols the shells go up and out the port and don't come anywhere near that tear drop cut.
So cycling slowly by hand, if he tilts the pistol to the right and gives it a shake, the round will likely drop out. Might even drop out if he puts more vigor into racking the slide. I can't think of a reason to tune a pistol so that the unfired live round will drop free from the ejection port when the gun works fine when actually fired.
Yeah. The gun was DESIGNED to function as a semi-auto pistol, meaning it was DESIGNED to be loaded, then fired. The intent was not to load, then unload the pistol with flawless reliability, although I'm sure that was considered when JMB designed it. That slide is DESIGNED to operate at much faster speeds than simply pulling it back by hand to remove what's in the chamber. This is akin to someone saying their gun doesn't function correctly when they "ride the slide" forward when chambering a round.......... IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO WORK THAT WAY!! The slide running at full speed, both opening and closing, is the way it's designed to work correctly, period.
If the gun runs flawlessly when fired, I don't see where it makes one ounce of difference how it extracts/ejects by hand, which again, isn't the way it was DESIGNED to work.
If the gun runs flawlessly when fired, I don't see where it makes one ounce of difference how it extracts/ejects by hand, which again, isn't the way it was DESIGNED to work.
I m with 44 on this. To say that a 1911 was not designed to eject a live round, assumes that was not a normal part of the operation of the pistol. Ejecting a live round is absolutely a normal operation and the ability to do so is intrinsic to its operation.
g.willikers
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It would come in handy if the gun could be reliably unloaded with the magazine out and a live ball round in the chamber.
Like, for example, when the RO sez "unload and show clear" at a match.
Or when getting ready to clean it.
And some other times.
Like, for example, when the RO sez "unload and show clear" at a match.
Or when getting ready to clean it.
And some other times.
polyphemus
New member
Maybe the pistol works if it rides the link or maybe it works if it headspaces off the extractor or even if you can't extract a live round out of it.
But it ain't right.
But it ain't right.