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The S&W 40cal is still the #3 selling handgun cartridge in the U.S. Going to one gun show and not seeing any for sale doesn't have much significance, if any. Go to sales data and see what you find.
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Originally Posted by manta49
and 9MM will continue to increase as the best all round pistol calibre in the history of firearms. Not my opinion fact.
No ... your opinion. The observation that some other people share your opinion does not make it fact.
And the only reason police departments are moving away from it is some female recruits have trouble with the recoil.
This might be one reason, but it's not the only reason. Some other reasons:And the only reason police departments are moving away from it is some female recruits have trouble with the recoil.
.357 will be around a long time, but .38 I'm starting to wonder about. Sure, I can find brass at the range, I'll check the range log (nobody says I can't) and see what calibers are being shot and about once a week somebody will shoot some, about the same with .40.I still see a lot of .40 S&W brass in the brass buckets at the range. A lot more than I see .38 Special or .357 Magnum, but nobody seems to be claiming that either of those is going to follow to dodo bird into extinction.
well, yes and no.Yeah, but people aren't buying .25's tho. When people stop buying guns in certain calibers, then the caliber is in trouble. People are buying .40's, they're just used ones on the cheap.
When people stop buying guns in certain calibers, then the caliber is in trouble.
Yeah, I don't really see how this applies to anything other than the sales department.l think that phrase comes from the sales and marketing department. And, you know, their job is selling things. And when people stop buying what they are selling, then THEY are in trouble.
"people" are obviously the target market, but what people?, or is it everyone, overall? What is "stop buying"? does it mean you didn't sell even a single unit? (which, I would agree is stopped buying) or is it because your sales missed their expected level? And, by how much? 3%? 10?, 25? I make a distinction between "slow down" and "stopped". Don't think there's a difference? then just slow down for a red light....
And, just what does "in trouble" mean? Sales of new guns is a yardstick to measure with, but its only ONE yardstick. And, one needs to take into account that sales of new guns is neither a flat steady stable state, nor is it an ever upward slope on a sales graph.
Is the .40 done? Well, for me, not only is it done, it never got started. I'm not the military, I'm not the police, my priorities are different then theirs. I've never bought a .40, or a 10mm. None of them offer me anything useful that I don't already have covered by something else. It is a matter of supreme indifference to me, if some other people shoot better/faster with gun A in caliber X than they do with gun B, or gun A in caliber Y.
I also think its not accurate to judge the current popularity of a caliber by how many people shoot it at your local range, and leave their brass behind.
scoobysnacker: said:Get a Beretta 96, or a Sig P226, as a police trade-in, and you get a fabulous defensive pistol for the nightstand or truck.
Yup. I thought it was ironic/amusing that an author who was very obviously a strong .40S&W supporter still felt the need to include the information about the impressive improvement in qualification scores seen when switching to 9mm in an article meant to show how superior the .40 was.Pretty funny that a poster above provided a link to an American Rifleman article by Wiley Clapp to support the conclusion that 9mm’s are easier to shoot...
The title of that article is “the .40 is still better than the 9mm”...
Yup. I thought it was ironic/amusing that an author who was very obviously a strong .40S&W supporter still felt the need to include the information about the impressive improvement in qualification scores seen when switching to 9mm in an article meant to show how superior the .40 was.
Don't you have a 10mm mag pistol 44 AMP?l think that phrase comes from the sales and marketing department. And, you know, their job is selling things. And when people stop buying what they are selling, then THEY are in trouble.
"people" are obviously the target market, but what people?, or is it everyone, overall? What is "stop buying"? does it mean you didn't sell even a single unit? (which, I would agree is stopped buying) or is it because your sales missed their expected level? And, by how much? 3%? 10?, 25? I make a distinction between "slow down" and "stopped". Don't think there's a difference? then just slow down for a red light....
And, just what does "in trouble" mean? Sales of new guns is a yardstick to measure with, but its only ONE yardstick. And, one needs to take into account that sales of new guns is neither a flat steady stable state, nor is it an ever upward slope on a sales graph.
Is the .40 done? Well, for me, not only is it done, it never got started. I'm not the military, I'm not the police, my priorities are different then theirs. I've never bought a .40, or a 10mm. None of them offer me anything useful that I don't already have covered by something else. It is a matter of supreme indifference to me, if some other people shoot better/faster with gun A in caliber X than they do with gun B, or gun A in caliber Y.
I also think its not accurate to judge the current popularity of a caliber by how many people shoot it at your local range, and leave their brass behind.