Is the 158 grain 1500 fps

[WhatRecoil]

Talk about a 380 with ZZZIIIPPP!!

I'm not sure I'd trust a little sig with that load but I can only imagine the look on the perps face when he realized that all "squirt gun" loads aren't made equal!! The problem remains that most 380s are considered back up guns, and I can just see some square head prosecutor grinning like a moose eating barbed wire when questioning the shooter as to his use of killer mosquito rounds.

As far as I can attest why not a Glock 19 stoked w/ 125 grain JHP at 1300fps?? Easier to handle and a lot less "tricky".

I guess I just can't get past the good old days when people asked me about my carry revolver...A Ruger Speed 6 4 inch, Remington 125 gr JHP... Law enforcement in NC just grinned, patted my little crutch toddering butt on the head and said. "Lord Jesus little man, not serious about it are you??"

And then along came the Glock21 I test fired that had similar recoil and adequate follow up speed when I fired the Glock17 in the same session side by side. My reasoning?? Bigger bullet, proven threat stopper, less recoil, 13 shots instead of 6. Then the dreaded Black Talon 230s, then Federal230 Hydra shoks,

Now a full power 10mm...which is BASICALLY a 357....circle of life...here we go again. 16 rounds of lowly 10mm silver tip trumped the 9mm for me

What it all breaks down to is that in a sticky outdoor situation I would find myself hard pressed to trust a semi auto over a stout Ruger GP100 and a couple of speed loaders against a wild hog..if its a bear, I want my 12 gauge

 

[Clark]

darkgael
I'd love to see a picture of that gun. Bushed from 9mm Browning Long (9X20) to 9mm Browning Corto (.380 ACP/9X17)

Here is a pic of mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Model_1903

I think they were common. I paid $123 in 2003 at a gun show from a guy named Lou that always seemed to have some old guns for sale.

Sarco has recently been selling some parts for them.

Most guns I buy I never even test fire, but this one has been to the range again and again.

My guess is that they were sold through a magazine pre 1964, modified, and advertised as 380 by the importer.

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To get 1187 fps I put 8.5 gr Power Pistol in the cartridge and really compressed it and resized the loaded ammo so it would chamber.
I have done it with 158 gr LSWC and 158 gr HNDY XTP
1187 is the highest chrono reading, but the others are not far behind.

8 gr 158 gr is max load for a 357 magnum [much larger case so much lower pressure]

I have many 380s and the sort out to 3 levels of hot loads.
The Husqvarna is at the top with thick chamber walls, good case support, long barrel, and heavy slide. They all have wimpy recoil springs.

The worst is the Kel Tec P3At with terrible case support, thin walls, light slide, short barrel. I can only get 90 gr 1100 fps, and that is the hairy edge.

 

[Model12Win]

This thread is inspiring md to buy a box of the Buffalo Bore 158 hollow points for my 6" GP100 for home defense work. Got some ass behind em.

 

[darkgael]

PIC

Clark: Thanks for the picture. I love those old guns. I would like to acquire one in 32 Browning. I also have a yen for an Astra 400.
Pete

 

[Clark]

My grandfather must have been in the compulsory service in Sweden before he immigrated to the Alaskan Gold rush. He could have used that pistol.

Later, in the Gold rush he had an Iver Johnson break top hammerless 38S&W with black powder and a 30-30.