Is Sig Still Having Issues?

Its when the CEO that ruined Kimber's CQ went over to Sig usa.
(or from what I understand from 30 seconds of googleing the subjecr)

Ron Cohen (I think is his name) Was the genius that thought putting "Custom" on production Kimber slides mean you could charge an arm and a leg for a 1911 while quietly cutting corners in production. And how you can't turn a page in a gun rag without seeing an add for Kimber. They spend their money on ads not on the actual production of guns.

Now from SIG your seeing "Diamond Plate", "Rainbow", "Scorpion" finnishes on Sigs. And how you can buy a P238 that proudly says "SAS" on the side.
Thats where all the extra effort goes at SIG.

Sig before the pre-Cohen days was producing some of the best handguns on the planet. These W. German/German guns are what built the Sig reputation but they were not making any money.

Ron Cohen is a marketing genius and is the one that turned Kimber into what it is today.... ;) They are the #1 selling 1911 on the planet. They sell more 1911s than the next 4 combined. :eek: Cohen used and aggressive marketing strategy and volume model to grow Kimber into the company it is today.

Now that also created a few problems.

-Remember when the Kimber started to use more and more MIM, cheaper parts, in order to speed up production and cut production costs while at the same time continuing to raise prices.
-Remember when Kimber started to make 25 versions of basically the same pistol by changing the finish the grips and the engraving on the slide.
-Remember the problems with the Kimbers external extractor which they never got right.
-Remember when they did not completely R&D the guns the guns with the changes they were making before they released the pistol and instead let the buying public be beta tester while claiming that there were no known design flaws in their products.
-Remember how as the volume of the Kimber brand grew so did the raw number and % of problem guns.
-Remember when their customer service was overwhelmed because they increased production but did not increase the after sale support side of the business.

ALL of this applies to todays Sig Cohen Sauer. Now this does not mean that if you go out and buy a Sig today you will get a lemon. This does not mean that Sigs produced at Exter are not good if not great guns. My number 1 problem with Sig these days is the mentality that is driving their production methods and design concepts. It is no longer to Hell and Back reliability. That has been replaced by the Pinto principle. Build them fast and build them cheap. We know there are flaws but the majority of the guns will never be shot to enough to reach the point of failure and the ones that do we can fix under warranty at a much lower cost than making them all the way they should. This is what you get when you go to a volume model IMHO.
 
Polymer SIGs....

To my limited knowledge, most - issues with SIG Sauer pistols came from the newer polymer frame designs not the older "classic" lines(P239, P229, P226, P220). Classic SIGs had much support from LE, SWAT & military services through most of the 1980s, 1990s & 2000s.

I posted a topic on how the US SIG Sauer HQ in NH had a huge front office hiring push in late 2011. It may be still on TFL. ;)
 
odd
I own 2 sig pistols
both of them polymer frame
one 2022 in 9mm that currently has well in excess of 2,000 rounds down it, never so much as a fail to fire or extract out of it

and the other is a mosquito in .22 lr for the girls to shoot with, and other than being picky about high velocity ammo, its been a trooper

having said that, since they returned it "twice" as fixed
are you taking it apart an putting it back together before firing? Just asking to eliminate operator error, 1911's are notoriously difficult beasts, and not really a beginner's pistol.
 
I have had two SIG pistols and a SIG rifle.
The first pistol a P226 is about 3 years old; no problems.
The second is a P229 about 1 year old in January, no problems.
The rifle is a few months old, no problems.

My brother in law has a 1.5 year old P2022, no problems.


I remember hearing some rumors about the 1911's having a problem with the safeties coming off about a year or two ago but i've never seen or met someone with those issue. Every gun manufacturer has issues; often when a change is made or when a new gun is put on the streets. Even the almighty INEVERHADAPROBLEMEVERNEVER glock had issues with some Gen 4 pistols; it happens. But as with Glock, SIG to my knowledge has moved to fix any issues they experienced quickly.


Go out there; buy yourself a P226 or 229 and have some fun!
 
Picked up a new P226 with E2 grip earlier this year. Fits my small hand better than my compact P239. Zero issues with this pistol. Great trigger in both DA and SA mode. And the accuracy is better than any other service pistol I have ever fired.
 
My brother has a Sig P226 Blackwater that shoots great.

A friend was so impressed that got the non Blackwater edition about 6 months ago (I think). It shot about 7" low and 4" to the right at 7 yards. Not even on a 8.5 X 11" sheet of paper unless you held at the top of the page.

Sig told him to change ammo.:rolleyes:

He finally pitched a fit and they took it back and worked on it. From what I understand it is fine now.

That is the only recent experience that I have with Sigs.

Although I am really jonesing to try out a Sig P239 for some reason.

Anyone want to let me borrow one for a while?:D
 
A friend was so impressed that got the non Blackwater edition about 6 months ago (I think). It shot about 7" low and 4" to the right at 7 yards. Not even on a 8.5 X 11" sheet of paper unless you held at the top of the page.

Sig told him to change ammo

Good lord.... That says it all. *insert facepalm JPG. here*
 
The real SAS...

A NRA magazine(printed) article about the UK's elite SAS(Special Air Service) stated they use a few classic SIG Sauer models(P229, P226, etc).
Former 22nd SAS Regiment(the counter-terrorist unit) trooper Andy McNab said SIG pistols worked great in rough environments and were picked by SAS members more than Glocks, Berettas or HK sidearms.

Clyde
 
I have not heard anything bad about Sig with the exception of some complaints about customer service from law enforcement armorers seeking either perst or service for some of the duty guns. Though that was several years ago. Also the same can be said of most gun makers at one point in time or another.

BTW My P-250 sub compact in 9mm has been flawless. The DAO trigger is a bit heavy, though it is clean. No grit, slack, or excessive over travel. It shoots to POA with several weights, and velocities of bullets, and eats my dirty hand loads like a hungry pig at the trough.
 
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