Is S&W finished?

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e'ville

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I'm a big revolver fan and I believe S&W made and makes the finest double action revolvers. There are those who believe the company did the only thing it could to continue when it made the agreement with the gov't. Even if they did sell out, it bothers me to have to buy an inferior revolver (at least to my taste) and punish myself because of their politics. I believe most companies make crappy decisions and compromises, we just don't hear about them often.

Suggestions?

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Mark
NRA member
 
S&W needs to fall, HARD!

There are enough of the good old pre-agreement S&W sixguns on the used gun market to keep us satified for years to come. ENJOY!

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Just one of the Good Guys
 
I agree that S&W revolvers are better than anything else on the market, although competitive guns are improving rapidly. Still, I feel that buying an S&W product is condoning their action. While S&W can control distribution of their product as they wish, the agreement makes demands on independent distributors and dealers, as well as on purchasers, beyond what is required by law. Why, for example, should a dealer's trade in other items (high capacity magazines, for example) be controlled by an agreement S&W made with someone else? Most dealers and customers simply feel that being allowed to sell and buy S&W products is not worth the total control demanded in return.

Even worse for S&W is that only a few lawsuits have been dropped and new ones have been instituted, so they have gained nothing in return for losing the trust of their dealers and customers.

Jim
 
AND per my experience and that of the customers in the shop where I sometimes work... Quality in the last several years has dropped off considerably.

If we refuse to purchase the newer guns -- and many did that before the sellout due to quality control problems -- and we purchase the older better guns they made... We remove our support from a treacherous and traitorous company and we get a far better firearm.

My suggestion... Buy old S&W to your hearts content and let the newer and lower quality ones remain unsold.

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Talk is cheap; Free Speech is NOT.
 
Finest revolvers or not, what S&W did is one more step towards no revolvers at all.

When will people wake up and quit "compromising" their rights away.

P.S. All this "enforce the laws on the books" is a bunch of crap. Many of the "laws on the books" should be repealed. It makes me wonder how many people know the "laws on the books". Its almost as dumb as claiming firearms are highly unregulated.
 
S&W ban? Go to it ...
Hit 'em hard... "pour encourager les autres".

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OK, so who else makes a .45 ACP Mountain Gun or a hump-back Bodyguard .38? Not taking up for the blackguards, only miserable because other companies don't offer such interesting specialty guns. In fact, when was the last time Ruger brought out a new style of revolver?
 
GOD, I HOPE SO!!!!!!! :)

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"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
Don't know, but I hope so because unfortunately, someone has to be the example of what happens to a sellout. Go Taurus!
 
Yes Smith & Wesson is going to go under. Unlike others I don't get all giddy at seeing this happen. They screwed up bigtime but so has Ruger and Glock. I have a few choice words for Bill Ruger everytime I shell out big bucks for a hi-capacity magazine. Ruger doesn't even make a 10 shot magazine for his mini-14. According to him you don't need more that 5 rounds. Has your new Glock been "fingerprinted?" Be careful shooting your Glock at a public range. You never know who might collect your hulls and drop them at a crime scene. You say buy a Taurus? I don't need no stinking lock on my handgun. I want my gun to be dangerous. Thats why I bought it. How about Colt with their "smart gun" technology? Bottom line is that every gun manufacturer that falls means we have one less. What S&W did was damn wrong but the gun companies are just trying to survive. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a gun company because of the liability factor. My guess is that it is a matter of time before all the gun companies are broke or the price will be so high most people won't be able to afford them.

[This message has been edited by M16 (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
Far as I'm concerned, S&W is finished. Ruger too.
I cannot tolerate nor forgive these people who we have supported when they stab us in the back.
I'll hang on to my old S&W revolvers. They are better quality than the recent production guns anyway. I won't miss Ruger either. Never saw one that appealed to me.

This isn't the first time S&W has tried to impose its will upon dealers. Remember a few years ago when they were trying to force dealers to sell their leather? They didn't learn from that either.

Let them go under. It's the price they'll have to pay. They've earned it.
 
You might want to try out the new Dan Wesson revolvers. I havent held one of the new ones but reports are very good so far.

I too am a S&W revolver fan, but I'll never buy another new one!

Dave

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"It is truly time to stand up for your rights, or sit down in subjection."
 
The behavior is introlerable and unforgivable. As soon as the ownership changes hands, the punishment is over.

We cannot afford to loose the means of production, we can afford to loose those people whose behavior we deplore.

Once they loose their financial stake, the punsihment was the reduced value. Best if they go bankrupt and not get any money. The name and equiptment are part of America.
 
If not, the Traitors should be .....

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Anonymous
 
The aggreement that S&W signed was both a sellout and selfish on their parts. Plain and simple. Bill Ruger on the other hand has gotten a bad rap for the situation concerning the high-cap magazines...Not even close to the actions of S&W.

From an EXTREME point of view, they are both wrong, but the evil is in S&W. Please do not lump ruger in with S&W. With any luck S&W will change hands and the agreement will go down the shute. Let the feds sue...it won't get very far...I hope???!!!

Keep buying Ruger!!! they make a better gun anyway.



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"By His stripes we are healed..."

PeterGunn
 
My question with buying "PRE-SELL-OUT" Smith & Wessons is who's gonna fix them if there is a problem with the gun if they go out of business? Is there enough spare parts floating around out there for the demand? Enough qualified gunsmiths?
 
My wife trusts her life to a Smith M38, but it's 15 years old.

Ruger is NOT like S&W. I suggest you get whatever size gun you prefer from Ruger, then pull the trigger ten thousand times. You will like it.

As far as politics/boycott, I feel sorry for the workers, but byebye Smith!
I just hope the same motivation exists when it comes time to vote!

If you don't vote you don't count.

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
I think S&W should and will die. But...
Don't let that attitude color your opinion of the pre-sellout handguns. As far as PB's question about parts and expertise in repairing them, there's probably more 'smiths out there with more knowledge about S&W revolvers and more spare parts/parts guns out there than for any other firearm. Concerns about THAT should be the LEAST of your worries.
 
Their guns are well built usually. I disagree with others who say the older ones were better made. I believe the new ones are just as tight, are better designed and more consistent from gun to gun compared to 15 years ago. Anyway it will be a shame if S&W dies completely because of the loss of their lifetime warranty. Their service has been excellent, at least in my experience. I hope they simply change owners or get out of the agreement some other way.

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Mark
NRA member
 
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