is it loaded?
- Thread starter riddleofsteel
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I understand your CHL being tied to your DL (it is here in Texas, too), but I didn't realize that some states indexed it with the license plate number of your vehicle.
So, if I run a 10-28 on a license plate in NC, it tells me if the owner has a CHL????
Bloody hell. Time to let the local Catholic priest borrow your car at least twice a month.
LawDog
So, if I run a 10-28 on a license plate in NC, it tells me if the owner has a CHL????
Bloody hell. Time to let the local Catholic priest borrow your car at least twice a month.
LawDog
Initially, the officer may not have been aware of your CCW when you stated you were carrying; hence his question about your firearm being loaded. Without a CCW here in CA, one may carry a firearm in a vehicle as long as it is 1) not loaded in a locked box or range bag, and 2) any ammunition for it is stored in another location in the vehicle. Glove compartment doesn't count. Give the LEO a break. Knowing his current stop is armed is always a matter of concern. He doesn't know you personally. Your demeanor and cooperation are keys to his feeling comfortable about the situation. Also, I agree with the earlier post about being meticulous in not having committed misdemeanors or infractions (expired plates) while carrying.
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Lawdog I may be mistaken but I think it is tied to your tags in Texas too. I have heard DPS dispatchers on the scanner say the OWNER of the vehicle has a CCW. My wife doesnt but I do and the car is registered in MY name. I may not always hear on the scanner what the Trooper has called in but I always hear the dispatcher.
Which reminds me what happens if there are weapons in the vehicle but the driver DOESNT have a CCW? My wife wont drive my truck unless she has no other option and there is usually enough stuff in there to arm a small third world country. Should she sit tight, play it by ear and say no to a search or what. Knowing my wife he wont be able to get past the tears and histrionics to get that far.
Which reminds me what happens if there are weapons in the vehicle but the driver DOESNT have a CCW? My wife wont drive my truck unless she has no other option and there is usually enough stuff in there to arm a small third world country. Should she sit tight, play it by ear and say no to a search or what. Knowing my wife he wont be able to get past the tears and histrionics to get that far.
Mike in VA
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In VA, if you're stopped and they call in your tag no., the officer will be informed that you have a CCW. The on time I've been stopped since I got my CCW, the cop pulled me over forgoing thru teh FastToll lane too fast (rush hour Friday night Dulles toll Road). He hopped right out (didn't call me in - a good sign) of his car and asked if I knew why he stopped me. I said before we get to that, I need to inform you that I have carry permit and a handgun in the glovebox. He thanked me for sharing that, said I had gone thru the tollbooth too fast, allowing he also saw the 4x4 that was tailgating me, and he was looking for an excuse to turn on the party lights to slow people down. He asked what kind of gun I had (SIG), he had a Sig, we talked Sigs a few minutes, told me he didn't worry about CCW holders who speak up, it's the ones who don't tell that worry him, told me to slow down and enjoy the evening, and that was that. I did indeed slow down M2
My CCW also requires that I inform a LEO if asked if I am carrying. I have to agree though that part of the "carry-mindset" is (1) not to drive around with expired tags or run stop signs or spit on the sidewalk and (2) answer questions from LEO's like "Is it loaded?" with "Yes sir, that's the way I was trained to carry it."
Cop sounds like a real Barney though.
Regards,
Ledbetter
Cop sounds like a real Barney though.
Regards,
Ledbetter
Gopher .45
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In Texas, you have to inform an LEO that you have a CHL and that you are carrying if you are carrying. If you are not carrying, you don't have to disclose this information, but they will find out you have a CHL and then question you as to whether or not you are carrying.
For Gopher, what happens if there are weapons in the vehicle (registered in your name) but your wife is driving and she doesn't have a CHL? If they are handguns with ammo and/or within reach of the driver, she is in violation of various laws.
In Texas, your CHL is not directly tied to your car tags, but is to your DL. That being said, LEO's can determine who the car is registered to and then cross check the name against licenses.
In Gopher's case above, the officer may determine that his wife is not the owner of the truck and that she does not have a CHL. There is no reason for him to ask if she is carrying guns any more so than with any other traffic stop.
For Gopher, what happens if there are weapons in the vehicle (registered in your name) but your wife is driving and she doesn't have a CHL? If they are handguns with ammo and/or within reach of the driver, she is in violation of various laws.
In Texas, your CHL is not directly tied to your car tags, but is to your DL. That being said, LEO's can determine who the car is registered to and then cross check the name against licenses.
In Gopher's case above, the officer may determine that his wife is not the owner of the truck and that she does not have a CHL. There is no reason for him to ask if she is carrying guns any more so than with any other traffic stop.
riddleofsteel
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having had a few days to reflect on this incident, i feel now that what set me off was his general additude. i got the instant impression that he was one of the group of law enforcement officals that don't like CCW holders and spare no effort to hassle the ones they find. i found his questions and actions demeaning and patronizing.
my mistake (expired tags), will not happen again but the one of you guys that has not exceeded the speed limit or eased thru that yellow light ect. while packing pat yourself on the back right now. i guess i expect the same respect from LEO's that i give them. i am not a head banger with a lowered car and a boom box blareing away, i do not fit any known profile of a dangerous or reckless person. for gosh sake i was in a Toyota Tercel with my wife and two small kids. his actions (after my declaration) was that i was a danger to him and the community.
Question: does anyone know of a single incident of a legal CCW holder that has fired on an LEO ? or any incident were a CCW holder proved any hazard to any LEO.
i see this "OFFICER" exactly like i see the store owners/managers that post thier stores feeling that legally armed citizens are a threat to them and thier employees.
i know this is worn thin but i will say this:
LEO'S/GOVERNMENT OFFICALS AND MERCHANTS, THE GUNS TO FEAR ARE THE ONES CARRIED BY THOSE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT OBEY YOUR SIGNS OR REGULATIONS, NOT MINE. THE BAD GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO DECLARE THIER WEAPONS. I HAVE JUMPED THRU YOUR HOOPS AND PAID YOUR FEES ALL FOR THE "PRIVILIGE" OF EXERCISING MY RIGHT TO GO ARMED. YOUR CCW LAWS DID NOT GIVE ME THAT RIGHT, NOR DID THE BILL OF RIGHTS. MY RIGHT TO GO ARMED AND PROTECT MYSELF IS A BASIC RIGHT OF ALL FREE MEN. BUT SINCE I HAVE SATISFIED EACH AND EVERY LEGAL HURDLE PLACED IN MY WAY, NOW THAT I HAVE THAT PERMIT I DEMAND A LITTLE FREAKING RESPECT.
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my mistake (expired tags), will not happen again but the one of you guys that has not exceeded the speed limit or eased thru that yellow light ect. while packing pat yourself on the back right now. i guess i expect the same respect from LEO's that i give them. i am not a head banger with a lowered car and a boom box blareing away, i do not fit any known profile of a dangerous or reckless person. for gosh sake i was in a Toyota Tercel with my wife and two small kids. his actions (after my declaration) was that i was a danger to him and the community.
Question: does anyone know of a single incident of a legal CCW holder that has fired on an LEO ? or any incident were a CCW holder proved any hazard to any LEO.
i see this "OFFICER" exactly like i see the store owners/managers that post thier stores feeling that legally armed citizens are a threat to them and thier employees.
i know this is worn thin but i will say this:
LEO'S/GOVERNMENT OFFICALS AND MERCHANTS, THE GUNS TO FEAR ARE THE ONES CARRIED BY THOSE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT OBEY YOUR SIGNS OR REGULATIONS, NOT MINE. THE BAD GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO DECLARE THIER WEAPONS. I HAVE JUMPED THRU YOUR HOOPS AND PAID YOUR FEES ALL FOR THE "PRIVILIGE" OF EXERCISING MY RIGHT TO GO ARMED. YOUR CCW LAWS DID NOT GIVE ME THAT RIGHT, NOR DID THE BILL OF RIGHTS. MY RIGHT TO GO ARMED AND PROTECT MYSELF IS A BASIC RIGHT OF ALL FREE MEN. BUT SINCE I HAVE SATISFIED EACH AND EVERY LEGAL HURDLE PLACED IN MY WAY, NOW THAT I HAVE THAT PERMIT I DEMAND A LITTLE FREAKING RESPECT.
[This message has been edited by riddleofsteel (edited July 25, 2000).]
Scaramanga
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Amen!
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Strength does not come from physical capacity.
It comes from an indomitable will. -- Mahatma Gandhi
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Strength does not come from physical capacity.
It comes from an indomitable will. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Rocky Road
Retired Screen Name
riddleofsteel----
Okay, you've told us. Do you seriously think anyone on this forum would disagrfee with you, or at least your basic premise?
Now, if you haven't gotten it out of your system by preaching to the choir, why not communicate directly with your elected sheriff? I know nothing of your county, but MOST elected officials don't like their minions going out of their way to antagonize the good citizens of the county.
If the sheriff has a reputation for being anti gun, you might get hold of your county commissioner, or county selectman, or the county administrator. There is SOME elected official with whom you can talk. An organized, courteous, well modulated and BRIEF presentation might do you, and your friends, a world of good. Remember, if they don't hear from their constituents, elected officials tend to think that all is well out there in Voter Land. In any case, sounds as if you had a most unpleasant encounter with someone with a power trip.
BTW--
ON MOST BOARDS, THE CONSTANT USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS IS CONSIDERED SHOUTING AND IS THOUGHT TO BE MORE THAN A LITTLE SHRILL! SUCH TEXT IS REALLY RATHER TIRING TO READ.
If such was your intent, then please disregard these remarks. If not, then this board supports the use of Italics and Bold face and a combination of the two. These can lend emphasis to one's remarks without the appearence of shouting.
Best regards,
RR
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Okay, you've told us. Do you seriously think anyone on this forum would disagrfee with you, or at least your basic premise?
Now, if you haven't gotten it out of your system by preaching to the choir, why not communicate directly with your elected sheriff? I know nothing of your county, but MOST elected officials don't like their minions going out of their way to antagonize the good citizens of the county.
If the sheriff has a reputation for being anti gun, you might get hold of your county commissioner, or county selectman, or the county administrator. There is SOME elected official with whom you can talk. An organized, courteous, well modulated and BRIEF presentation might do you, and your friends, a world of good. Remember, if they don't hear from their constituents, elected officials tend to think that all is well out there in Voter Land. In any case, sounds as if you had a most unpleasant encounter with someone with a power trip.
BTW--
ON MOST BOARDS, THE CONSTANT USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS IS CONSIDERED SHOUTING AND IS THOUGHT TO BE MORE THAN A LITTLE SHRILL! SUCH TEXT IS REALLY RATHER TIRING TO READ.
If such was your intent, then please disregard these remarks. If not, then this board supports the use of Italics and Bold face and a combination of the two. These can lend emphasis to one's remarks without the appearence of shouting.
Best regards,
RR
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff, CA:
"Heck, in CA the fact that you own any guns is tied to your license plate."[/quote]
Jeff,
This is absolutely false. I have run thousands of checks on license plates and drivers licenses and this does NOT bring up guns the person owns.
About this deputy sheriff. He is an idiot and an a$$hole and every profession has them. Remember LEOs are recruited from our population therefore you get some anti-gun people that become LEOs. Something to think about though is RKBA is losing the propaganda war. The kids are being brainwashed in school, media, etc. Today's kids will be tomorrow's LEOs. So this means (unless something changes) we will end up with more anti-gun LEOs in the future.
"Heck, in CA the fact that you own any guns is tied to your license plate."[/quote]
Jeff,
This is absolutely false. I have run thousands of checks on license plates and drivers licenses and this does NOT bring up guns the person owns.
About this deputy sheriff. He is an idiot and an a$$hole and every profession has them. Remember LEOs are recruited from our population therefore you get some anti-gun people that become LEOs. Something to think about though is RKBA is losing the propaganda war. The kids are being brainwashed in school, media, etc. Today's kids will be tomorrow's LEOs. So this means (unless something changes) we will end up with more anti-gun LEOs in the future.
Rocky, don't get your panties in a bunch...
I agree with ROS, and he posted according to his feelings. I copied that quote and intend to show it to some friends (is that okay Riddle?).
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Anarchism: The radical notion that I am the sole authority when it comes to deciding what's best for me.
I agree with ROS, and he posted according to his feelings. I copied that quote and intend to show it to some friends (is that okay Riddle?).
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Anarchism: The radical notion that I am the sole authority when it comes to deciding what's best for me.
Here's a scary thought. No one drives in accordance with ALL traffic/safety laws. So, cop gets behind you, runs license plate, gets registration and license info, finds the registered owner has a carry permit, and then looks for an infraction to justify a stop.
Good way of harassing people with permits.
Good way of harassing people with permits.
That's funny: Is it loaded?? As for the latter comment I am going to give the maroon the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he might have meant the chip on the shoulder. He actually might have taken offense at you pointing out his stupidity.
On the other hand if you cant carry ammo, then neither can he. I believe the statutes say the LEO's may carry firearms and does not specifically mention ammunition, or does it. It may mention magazines, but the bullets and such I dont know??
On the other hand if you cant carry ammo, then neither can he. I believe the statutes say the LEO's may carry firearms and does not specifically mention ammunition, or does it. It may mention magazines, but the bullets and such I dont know??