Is it just in Vegas? AR pistols out of stock.

imagunnut

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January gun shows, lot's of AR pistols with the Sig brace available. They were pricey and I wasn't clear on what the laws said about this thing so I passed on it.
Did some research and decided to pull the trigger on one. Gun show this past weekend, nothing. LGS's, sold out. They said people are buying them up left and right. One LGS selling at $675 with free float guard, hard to pass up, brace alone is $200!

Anyone else across the country seeing this or is it just Vegas? From what I have been told so far, no blue card required, Metro considers them rifles. Nice to know we have a sane PD out here.
 
Maybe demand isn't that high. I don't understand the point of an AR pistol, maybe I'm not alone. Is it just to skirt the SBR laws?
 
Never found a reason for one, but on ARMSLIST in Virginia they had 5 or 6 for sale in just the last week most of them with the arm brace.
 
Maybe demand isn't that high. I don't understand the point of an AR pistol, maybe I'm not alone. Is it just to skirt the SBR laws?

This statement baffles me. Why do people find it so difficult to see any Utility in an AR pistol? I have a Carbon-15 pistol. Here are some things I find useful about it:

1. It's very lightweight
2. It easily holds 30 rounds of 5.56 ammo - that's a lot of firepower
3. It's as accurate as any $500 handgun at typical handgun ranges, perhaps more, and the iron sights are actually pretty good.
4. It fires a powerful round for a handgun.
5. It's easy to hold with two hands, even without a forward grip
6. It's easy to mount electronic optics, lasers etc.
7. It's compact - would easily fit in a duffel bag or back-pack.
8. Corrosion resistant, won't rust
9. Easy to fix, clean, and disassemble.

The problem is that those who can't find the utility in an AR pistol want it to function like a rifle. It's not a Rifle. Or are looking for the concealability of a handgun. It's not a handgun (forget what the law says!). It's a semi-auto assault pistol that gives you the same firepower of an AR rifle for use at handgun distances. FWIW, I have no need or desire to add an arm brace to it.
 
Why do people find it so difficult to see any Utility in an AR pistol?
Because there is so little there to see

It's a semi-auto assault pistol that gives you the same firepower of an AR rifle for use at handgun distances.
Then it offers no real advantage over a normal carbine
 
Then it offers no real advantage over a normal carbine

Except that it is a lot more compact and a tad lighter. I can't fit my Colt SP1 Carbine in a gym bag or backpack, but I can do this with my Carbon-15.

Other than size and long distance accuracy, I would agree, there isn't much difference between an AR pistol and an AR carbine.
 
Was a fun build for me...All done.
Orion poly receiver. Red mag release and pins. Mag well grip. 7.5" bbl. Double Diamond upper. Punisher dust cover. Aim NiB bolt and carrier. Troy Claymore brake. SEEALL sight over green laser. Sig arm brace.

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$900 for parts alone, but it can be done far cheaper.

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This is the new style SBX Brace and it's about the same price if you look hard enough (found mine on Ebay for around $135)
 
imagunnut said:
Anyone else across the country seeing this or is it just Vegas? From what I have been told so far, no blue card required, Metro considers them rifles. Nice to know we have a sane PD out here.
Sane?

How sane is it for a police department to consider something that's legally a handgun, according to both the manufacturer and the federal BATFE, a rifle? It's not a rifle, regardless of what your local police department thinks. Following their lead could land someone in some serious legal trouble.
 
Yep, I am familiar with the brace, I was being obtuse and referring to the thread title...sorry

It is what it is.

Sane?

How sane is it for a police department to consider something that's legally a handgun, according to both the manufacturer and the federal BATFE, a rifle? It's not a rifle, regardless of what your local police d

Really? I can't argue semantics with someone that both supports and opposes the 2nd amendment. Sorry, I'm just not that crazy. But this argument is for another thread.....
 
How sane is it for a police department to consider something that's legally a handgun, according to both the manufacturer and the federal BATFE, a rifle?

The truth is that the AR "pistol" (with or without the brace) is not really a pistol. It's really in another category which should have a completely new name - something like "Midget Carbine", "Shorty", "Chop-Shop-Bang-Bang", or "Sport-Arm". The law hasn't been updated to take into account this type of firearm. Nor do I (or most gun owners) want any law updated to properly categorize it - this would just mean more punitive restrictions. Thankfully, there is no chance on the immediate horizon that Congress will try and "fix" this.

Still, we all know that the AR thingamagig isn't a pistol; and neither are any other similar sized stockless thingamagigs that fire center-fired rifle cartridges. Probably, the same goes for similar sized thingamagigs that fire center-fired pistol cartridges as well.

It makes no sense for our purposes to try and fit these things into the buckets created by gun control acts which are over all over 40 years old.
 
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The truth is that the AR "pistol" (with or without the brace) is not really a pistol. It's really in another category which should have a completely new name - something like "Midget Carbine", "Shorty", "Chop-Shop-Bang-Bang", or "Sport-Arm". The law hasn't been updated to take into account this type of firearm. Nor do I (or most gun owners) want any law updated to properly categorize it - this would just mean more punitive restrictions. Thankfully, there is no chance on the immediate horizon that Congress will try and "fix" this.

Still, we all know that the AR thingamagig isn't a pistol; and neither are any other similar sized stockless thingamagigs that fire center-fired rifle cartridges. Probably, the same goes for similar sized thingamagigs that fire center-fired pistol cartridges as well.

It makes no sense for our purposes to try and fit these things into the buckets created by gun control acts which are over all over 40 years old.

This ^^^^^!!!!

To argue "what it is" is an exercise in futility - semantics.

As for what the manufacturer calls it, of course they will say it's a pistol. This is the whole point of the semantics argument. They would not be able to sell ONE unit if they called it anything else. What's perplexing is the BATF agrees!

What troubles me is that so many people focus on the "what it is" argument and completely ignore the principles behind it, in this case, the US Constitution. Sheeple are easily led to believe anything the Fed Gov force feeds them, blindly obey, and categorize anyone that "defies" the Feds, "insane". This is the kind of "thinking" that not only perpetuates the 40 year old NFA, it actually creates new, more restrictive laws. This is the liberal disease and most don't even know they have it.

I'm not sure what the CoPD's motivation is. Either he will not argue semantics, or he supports the 2A. Both are sane positions.

Regardless of intent, what happens in a free market when there are such restrictive rules imposed by a government? Americans innovate, Socialists stagnate. If people did not push the fringes and challenge the law (without openly breaking them), where would this country be? Good or bad, at least it's not stagnant and is the essence and brilliance of our Constitution.

BTW, only Clark County/Boulder City requires registration of handguns. NO registration required of either HG/rifles throughout the rest of Nevada.
 
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imagunnut said:
I'm not sure what the CoPD's motivation is. Either he will not argue semantics, or he supports the 2A. Both are sane positions.
A police officer is, by definition, a law enforcement officer. That means it is not his job to decide that a law is good or bad -- we have courts and judges and juries for that. The job of the law enforcement officer is to enforce the law.

If your below the belt jab about arguing semantics with someone that both supports and opposes the 2nd amendment was aimed at me, you missed. I don't oppose the Second Amendment. I support it, completely and wholeheartedly. As the great-grandson of a law professor and the great-great-great-great ... grandson of a Supreme Court justice, I simply believe that the "fix" for bad laws is not to ignore them, but to face up to them and try to get them changed. I've already been actively involved in one action that resulted in getting an old state law repealed, and I'm in the process of filing a lawsuit against my town over a local ordinance that contravenes the Second Amendment.

In other words, I back my words with actions. If the United States is to ever have any hope of becoming again a nation of laws, we need more people willing to take action rather than whine about how bad this law or that law is and just ignore it, hoping not to get caught.
 
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