Is Bush getting power mad??
- Thread starter Ronnie
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For those who enjoy trivia, there were 41 "declared national emergencies" between 1976 and 2006.
The Congressional Research Service's 11/13/2006 report on National Emergency Powers provides a very interesting perspective on the nature and history of executive powers during emergencies.
The Congressional Research Service's 11/13/2006 report on National Emergency Powers provides a very interesting perspective on the nature and history of executive powers during emergencies.
LightningJoe
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You guys expend a great deal of ammo, but you're not hitting anything. Bush can't really be power mad, since he doesn't have any power (in his present state). He might end up being unsuccessful, setting his party back 30 years, and being the last President before America turned into North Coahuila, but how could he possibly be power mad?
Same old, same old...
Most of the people on this forum are gun owners, I think.
Most of the gun owners I know are intelligent folks who think about what they do and take responsibility seriously.
So why are so many people here willing to read some gooblygook in the 'media' and totally swallow the leftist brainwashing without even a sip of water?
Right. President Bush is power mad. He builds huge detention centers and has 'secret' plans to keep the government functional. No doubt he has already imprisioned thousands if not hundreds of thousands of American 'dissidents' who bother his reign.
So why are Noxious Nancy and Horrible Harry still running loose?
Most of the people on this forum are gun owners, I think.
Most of the gun owners I know are intelligent folks who think about what they do and take responsibility seriously.
So why are so many people here willing to read some gooblygook in the 'media' and totally swallow the leftist brainwashing without even a sip of water?
Right. President Bush is power mad. He builds huge detention centers and has 'secret' plans to keep the government functional. No doubt he has already imprisioned thousands if not hundreds of thousands of American 'dissidents' who bother his reign.
So why are Noxious Nancy and Horrible Harry still running loose?
Mike Irwin
Staff
"I believe you are right Lincoln only issued an arrest warrant for the chief justice for issuing an opinion against him on the matter"
Apparently issued, but never exercised.
Lincoln should have had Taney shot...
Apparently issued, but never exercised.
Lincoln should have had Taney shot...
"Lincoln should have had Taney shot..."
I'm surprised he didn't. Lincoln was doing pretty much as he liked and he didn't need no stinking executive order to do it.
He should have called Congress into session to suspend habeas corpus - as required by the Constitution - but he didn't want them meddling in his power plays. It's all in the history books.
Thank goodness there were Union judges willing to stand up to him, even if they couldn't totally rein him in.
_________
"If Lincoln obeyed the Court’s order thousands of those arrested illegally would have been freed. Lincoln and most Northerners, during the war, accepted the Machiavellian doctrine that the end justified the means, when the end was to preserve the Union, and was to be achieved regardless of the Constitution and rulings of the Supreme Court. Lincoln expressed that policy to a Chicago clergyman:
"As commander in chief of the army and navy, in time of war, I suppose I have a right to take any measure which may best subdue the enemy."
Taney continued to irritate the Lincoln administration after his Ex parte Merryman decision. When Lincoln was ignoring the Supreme Court’s ruling, Taney sent copies of his opinion to other judges, urging them to issue writs of habeas corpus, and many of them did, even enforcing writs against military arrests of civilians. In his circuit in Maryland, Taney delayed a number of treason trials, as it was his right to do controlling the docket, because with the passion of the times, he doubted a fair trial could be had."
- Charles Adams
I'm surprised he didn't. Lincoln was doing pretty much as he liked and he didn't need no stinking executive order to do it.
He should have called Congress into session to suspend habeas corpus - as required by the Constitution - but he didn't want them meddling in his power plays. It's all in the history books.
Thank goodness there were Union judges willing to stand up to him, even if they couldn't totally rein him in.
_________
"If Lincoln obeyed the Court’s order thousands of those arrested illegally would have been freed. Lincoln and most Northerners, during the war, accepted the Machiavellian doctrine that the end justified the means, when the end was to preserve the Union, and was to be achieved regardless of the Constitution and rulings of the Supreme Court. Lincoln expressed that policy to a Chicago clergyman:
"As commander in chief of the army and navy, in time of war, I suppose I have a right to take any measure which may best subdue the enemy."
Taney continued to irritate the Lincoln administration after his Ex parte Merryman decision. When Lincoln was ignoring the Supreme Court’s ruling, Taney sent copies of his opinion to other judges, urging them to issue writs of habeas corpus, and many of them did, even enforcing writs against military arrests of civilians. In his circuit in Maryland, Taney delayed a number of treason trials, as it was his right to do controlling the docket, because with the passion of the times, he doubted a fair trial could be had."
- Charles Adams
Slugthrower
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John Wilkes Booth calmed President Lincoln down. 
Only because he could not find a federal marshal that would do it
He had no problem finding Union troops to arrest the Maryland legislature though
He also had no trouble using the troops to stuff the ballot box with illegal votes and arrest any southerner that tried to vote for the Maryland replacements
Mike Irwin
Staff
Yeah, yeah, Lincoln was Stalin/Hitler/Mao/Hussein/Pot etc. all wrapped into one...
"Only because he could not find a federal marshal that would do it
He had no problem finding Union troops to arrest the Maryland legislature though"
Hum...
Something odd about that statement...
Had Lincoln truly wanted Taney arrested, the method of effecting that arrest would have been unimportant.
He could have just as easily dispatched Federal marshals to arrest Maryland legislators as he did troops, and he could have just as easily dispatched Federal troops to arrest Taney.
Yet, he didn't.
So, I see one of three possible reasons.
1. Lincoln had a change of heart, or one of his cabinet convinced him not to act against Taney.
2. He decided to hold onto the arrest warrant in case Taney did something worse, or
3. The warrant was never actually issued, but was only discussed.
"Only because he could not find a federal marshal that would do it
He had no problem finding Union troops to arrest the Maryland legislature though"
Hum...
Something odd about that statement...
Had Lincoln truly wanted Taney arrested, the method of effecting that arrest would have been unimportant.
He could have just as easily dispatched Federal marshals to arrest Maryland legislators as he did troops, and he could have just as easily dispatched Federal troops to arrest Taney.
Yet, he didn't.
So, I see one of three possible reasons.
1. Lincoln had a change of heart, or one of his cabinet convinced him not to act against Taney.
2. He decided to hold onto the arrest warrant in case Taney did something worse, or
3. The warrant was never actually issued, but was only discussed.
Do you deny that these things happened or are you just trying to stimulate conversation?
What do you mean "if Taney did something worse"
Worse than do the job he was appointed to do? Or worse than publicly criticize the president
I don't understand that. But with your comment about shooting Taney I am led to believe that you feel that Lincoln was right to suspend the constitution through unconstitutional means
And perhaps Lincoln learned that federal troops will blindly follow the C&C while a good cop wont, something to consider when that survey gets kicked around
I guess what I am trying to figure out is if you are a Lincoln apologist or revisionist
What do you mean "if Taney did something worse"
Worse than do the job he was appointed to do? Or worse than publicly criticize the president
I don't understand that. But with your comment about shooting Taney I am led to believe that you feel that Lincoln was right to suspend the constitution through unconstitutional means
And perhaps Lincoln learned that federal troops will blindly follow the C&C while a good cop wont, something to consider when that survey gets kicked around
I guess what I am trying to figure out is if you are a Lincoln apologist or revisionist