Is Bush burned out?

""Power and control?" Great - let's take power and control over New Orleans and stop blaming that dopey mayor and governor for not being able to deal with a situation that is clearly beyond their ability to deal with."

Sorry, I missed the part of the Constitution that allows the President to seize control of State and Local governmental functions when the Mayor and Governor are incompetent and unable to adequately deal with emergencies.

If it’s not there, do you propose we add an amendment to allow it?
 
"Power and control?" Great - let's take power and control over New Orleans and stop blaming that dopey mayor and governor for not being able to deal with a situation that is clearly beyond their ability to deal with.
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Wonderful. Then we can re-elect Jimmy Carter to the Presidency and rest assured that we sleep safely. ;)

If the Mayor and Governor of NOLA were incapable of dealing with the First Responder situation, there's a much better solution than Federalizing State Government on Whim; it's called the polls. I doubt the NEXT LA Governor will be so inept.
Rich
 
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it...

The weight of the world literally balances on his shoulders.
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And it takes its toll on whoever happens to be sitting in the Oval Office. I wish I had photos of Jimmy Carter in '76 and '80 to post - 4 years in the O/O and he looked like he hadn't slept in 4 years and had been dragged behind a train! Carter is lucky he didn't get re-elected; he would have left the White House in a wooden box.

I like Cheney - to a point - but IMHO, with his heart problems, the Presidency would kill him way before he could run for re-election.

Being President is not for the squeamish or faint of heart... :eek:
 
I was being sarcastic. My point was that we can't control what's going on within our own borders. There is currently a power vacuum that did not exist with President Reagan, President G.H.W. Bush or even President Clinton.

There's also a character vacuum. Sorry, but IMHO it is immoral to allow people to die because they don't have proper armor. If I were president, I would have spent MY vacation at the contractor who refuses to allow other companies to work on his HUMVEE armor contract. I'd also send my SECDEF to ride in some of those canvas doored vehicles until he figures out a solution.

We've got zip point zero leadership. Our president isn't stressed - in the Navy, we called his condition "rack burn." He's been sleeping too much.

As far as people aging, check out your average senior executive at that age. It's tough, but you really start aging quickly in your late middle age when you're stressed. This president is in GREAT shape. He's not very stressed at all.
 
it is immoral to allow people to die because they don't have proper armor.
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Source Please.
And it better be REAL good in terms of demonstrating the President of the United States was involved in actively refusing troops the gear they needed to fight a War at a time not of our choosing.
Rich
 
Reported in numerous places including 60 Minutes, The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.

O'gara,Hess and Eisenhardt is the firm that has an exclusive contract to produce Humvee armor. The DoD has tried to purchase back the rights so they can expand production but thier CEO refuses to do this.

That soldiers and marines are dying from lack of Humvee armor is also reported in numerous places.
 
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The Humvee is a replacement for the old Willy's jeep, and was never intended to be an armored vehicle. And there is a cost to hanging all that extra weight on them, speed and maneuverability goes way down.

And even with all the armor it can carry, it still cannot take a hit from an RPG or a big IED. What we don't know is how many soldiers survived in standard Humvees because speed and maneuverability got them out of trouble.

To blame Bush for not having armor on a vehicle, that wasn't designed to be an armored vehicle, is not credible.
 
All this bashing because hummers aren't armored, the troops don't have body armor, etc., really points to another serious problem with the critics.

For some reason, they've gotten it into their heads that wars can be won without the loss of life, and that the United States has the ability to instantly (I guess through space time warping) provide all of this material to every soldier and without budgetary concerns.

The people who are bitching loudest and longest about this really don't have much of a clue how things happen in the real world.

If 60 Minutes was truly concerned about it, they'd donate a ****potload of money to military relief groups. Think that's going to happen any time soon?
 
Yes Rich, there's a vast left-wing conspiracy.

The search feature for the WSJ charges subscribers (which I am one) extra for articles older than six months. I'm not going to poke through the article at $2.95 a pop. Sorry my credibility doesn't pass your muster.

I've taken the time to do further research. Here's an article from the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041214-104813-5776r.htm

(Armor Holdings owns O'gara).

and another from the Washington Times (on a manufacturer's website): http://www.forceprotectioninc.com/news/news_article.html?id=7

Here's a well researched article from the Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/iraq/11354595.htm

and here's a long, well reserched and cited article from USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-03-27-humvees-cover_x.htm

You can discount all the reporting you want to, Rich. I think it's bizare that guys can be killed for a lack of armor when I can buy consumer products like a car.

What do you think would happen to this war if the president declared an emergency and shut down auto plants to manufacture proper vehicles (like in WWII)?

I'll bet they'd declare victory and the troops would be home in 30 days.
 
My Power and control statement stands as a nationwide issue not katrina based, the left has done everything it can to regain the whitehouse, senate, and congress and most of their Howie dean tactics are as lowrent as one can get!!! And it is all about POWER AND CONTROL!@ The left has done more damage to America than good with their campaign of standing in the way of progress ( obstuction ) by fighting legislation with BS and denouncing this countries policies to the advantage of the terrorist's and its all because a republican is in the whitehouse and his name is BUSH! What about the citizens of this country, are we just ponds to the left? The left has become blind with the obsession of anti bushism period end of report. What the hell did Clinton do in 8 years of office other than let some Drug lord get away with dragging an American servicemans body through the streets of Somalia and turn tail and run, allow attacks on U.S. assets by Al Quida and let Bin Laden go 3 times when he was offered by the Sudanese Gov., disgrace the oval office, oversee Waco, and yes talk about his stinkin legacy 24/7!!!!

I realize both parties want power and control to a point, the difference is one tries to regain or keep it by ideas, the other by smoke and mirrors and mostly by political assassanation. The left has gotten to the point that they are acting like if we can't have the Whitehouse, senate and congress than we will cripple it along with the country, get back in power and appear to save it. I see it like the spouse who poisons their mate and then saves the day by administering ipecac, this isnt much of an exaggeration either with some of the extreme left politicians.

How can Bush do his job when all he has time to do is answer absurd accusations and lies by the left, if the left really cared about America then they would focus on positive agenda's not hate speech and obstruction. The left is about deviding America not uninty. When I say the left I refer to the Washington politicians and Liberals not the average run of the mill registered Democrat. The problem I see is lots of Dems still think this is JFK's party and it is anything but, JFK was more like a republican in policy and action than todays Democrat politician. Just like Islam, the democratic party has been Hi-jacked by extremeists!

The left has a record of being control freaks and they openly talk about regaining POWER. Bush is being sidelined by the left through distractions and obstruction and its amazing he can get anything done with all the BS the left has been dishing out. The president is part of a team and the team is the senate and congress. The president is a coach and a coach cant play quarterback, receiver, fullback, tackle etc by himself. Unlike a sports team he cant purge the losers in the senate and congress who do nothing but stand in the way of progress. There's more than one leftwing website and group claiming Bush and the military planned 9/11 and planted bombs in the world trade center and the Pentagon attack was staged, SICK!!!!!!!!!! One needs to look no further than Howard Dean, Feinstein, Boxer, Clinton etc to see where the left has gone.
 
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Sorry my credibility doesn't pass your muster.
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By no means is inability to provide that specific reference a black mark on your credibility. I was just looking to read the piece if you had a ref handy. That's all.

But, as Mike points out, we can always find an excuse to blame the Prez when someone dies. Just look at Katrina.
Rich
 
NP about credibility, Rich. I shouldn't have put that in, I was being too sensitive.

I think those of us who actually know what the 2nd Amendment is about need to take a step back from being kneejerk "conservatives" or "republicans."

There are extremists on both sides, it doesn't serve our rights to be associated with either.

You get taken advantage of when you're too reliable in business or politics. There is also a backlash factor when the democrats do take office (it's just a matter of time).

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I don't think this president takes any time at all responding to critics. His actions are consistently those of somebody who didn't have to work hard for anything in his life. By the experience of his entire life, he KNOWS he's above it all. Rich spoiled boys NEVER do anything wrong, NEVER make mistakes and they ALWAYS get what they want (mommy always makes sure of that).

He's no leader. That's why he didn't see anything wrong with appointing a guy who ran the International Arabian Horse Association to run FEMA. He didn't have the experience to know what could go wrong. Once it did go wrong, he didn't understand why.

Blaming the governor and mayor is fine (it's not a game, they deserve to be blamed), but a real leader comes to life in a vacuum of authority and gets things organized. This president took a week to find the rudder. The best quote from this disaster belongs to LtGen Honore: "You're looking at a calendar. I'm looking at a watch."

THERE'S a leader for you.

Back to the thread - is this president burned out: IMHO, no. Confused and out of his element, but not burned out. He has full faith and confidence from the experience of his entire life that someone will come along to clean up for him.
 
And Mike, you're right. Lives will be lost - they're even lost in peacetime. I knew a dozen guys who were killed in helicopter accidents while I was on active duty (1980s). Doesn't mean they wasted their lives, it's a price we pay to protect our free society. It's working too, according to MHQ, we are living in an era of the least amount of warfare in the history of mankind (proportionally).

It disgusts me that anyone could be killed for lack of armor. There is literally no excuse for that. It means that a group of people (grunts) are not worth shutting down the consumer factories for a couple of months to get this right. Their lives ARE worth it in my book.

I'd puke if I had to order men into danger without basic protection available for little cost. One thing's for sure - I'd go with them. I wouldn't order someone to do something I wouldn't do myself!

More are going to die - because the president's advisors don't have the guts to tell us what this is going to take to do right: hundreds of thousands of more troops.

60 Minutes isn't being paid to provide armor. But there is a Commander in Chief who's job it is to be a leader.
 
What?

You mean it's Bush's job to go out and manufacture body armor himself?

Wow, that lax SOB, not working his fingers to the bone sewing that kevlar.

Of course, could it be the military procurement people who are TRULY responsible, you know the ones who are supposed to plan for troop needs not just during one president's term, but over the LONG term, spanning numerous presidencies?

No?

You mean it's Bush's job to do all force planning by himself?

Well, if he's doing that, how's he going to be sewing that body armor?


I really wonder why you're blaming Bush, PERSONALLY, for troop deaths in combat, but you just chalk it up to "**** happens" when your buddies died in the 1980s.

Why aren't you blaming Carter and Reagan for not PERSONALLY maintaining those helicopters, or PERSONALLY training those pilots better, or... You hopefully get the idea.
 
I want his job. Truly. I'd be thrown out of office within weeks. But they'd be fun weeks.

First order of business, call in the French, North Korean, Mexican and all Middle Eastern ambassadors and have the Marine Guard beat he living snot out of them and toss them down the front steps. Then the UN gets bulldozed. Break for lunch, day 1........
 
I never knew that the simple addition of armor to a Humvee and GI...

would make them and their occupants undefeatable in combat. At least, I think that's what they're doing over there, last time I deployed to that location. :rolleyes:
 
..I voted for Bush because Kerry had NOTHING to offer in hope...Bush has great success and colossal failures....He has disappointed me more than I expected...but how could I think Kerry would have done better(I want no part of an anti-America protester leading the nation)....Bush is losing my confidence with some very serious problems plaguing our nation...the Democrats think they must tell whoppers non-stop for me to notice them...believe me..I notice what they say(ain't good)...I think Bush often portrays himself rather miserably(it bothers me when he refers to terrorists as 'folks'(which is a term of endearment)...He also doesn't seem to know how to defend himself from attacks by people on the wrong-wing...so what can we do..hope to manage until the next election and pray for a better candidate...
 
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