Is anybody else just about sick of G. Gordon Liddy?

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I'll just point out that Liddy & company did not attempt to "rig the election," they attempted to obtain intel on their political opponent's plans via burglary. Rigging elections is what the Demos do in places like Boston, NY, and Chicago, where dead Irishmen continue to be politically active from the grave. Unlike the Demos, the Repubs got caught and punished. Where's all the vitriol for the Demos that were apparently registering illegal aliens in CA to defeat Bob Dorner for the House of Representatives?

If you tune out the "it's all about the G-Man" part of the show, the guest interviews tend to be pretty good. The topics, and guests, tend to be on an interesting and intellectual subject. I don't care for the gratuitous legal/personal advice, either; that seems like a foolish attempt to "me too" the Dr. Laura type shows.
 
I like Liddy, but Rush gets tiresome at times. Oh well the they are both on our side. Maybe a noisy pro-gunner is what is needed to counteract the noisy ant-gunners. You have to give them both credit they have style and are a thorn in the Socialist Democratic parties side. They keep pointing to the truth and that drives the liberals crazy.
The liberals cannot stand for the truth to be exposed to the open air and public viewing. I hope the Socialist Democrats get an infection from the thorns that Rush and Liddy are to them.
Look at how many new memebers of the NRA there are now. I bet not one of them votes for a Socialist Democratic canidate. :)
 
Howdy Ben-- I'm on the Ga. coast- Brunswick- and we get from 10-12 AM either Liddy or Boortz ( I like Boortz-- the Libertarian perspective has certain attractions for me ), Rush or Dr. Laura from 12-3, Ken Hamblin or Mike Medved from 3-6, and Mike Reagan from 6 on. If you listen to all of them all day you almost get enough worthwhile news.
Just a personal opinion-- Liddy's past means less to me than the fact that he didn't betray his boss-- I count him an honorable man for that, despite being a burglar.
Hamblin reflects my own views about 90% of the time, and while I like Rush, I think of him more as a theoretical conservative than one who speaks for me.
Dr. Laura reaches people who wouldn't be caught dead listening to "hate Radio," with a pro-traditional values message; so I count her as "on my side," too.
FReegards,
John R
 
Liddy was not guilty of burglary IIRC. He was guilty of breaking and entering and contempt of congress. The B&E was because they didn't take anything but pictures, and contempt was because he would not testify.

Do you swear to tell the truth...etc?
Liddy: (direct quote) "no"
 
Rush L. is over the top a bit on his shows, but remember what has long been accepted as "fair play" from his targets. His books are worth a read. I have suprisingly found little in his written words that I disagree with.
G. Liddy I have only picked up in small doses. He does seem to have a photographic memory and the libs hate him. I seem to recall he and Timothy Leary did a brief college tour together. I would have loved to hear that debate. Alas, the Moody Blues are right now.
 
Ed2000, interesting points. I was actually referring to the severity of the crimes committed (and here I am talking about the ones firmly proven to have been committed, not along the lines of the murder of Vince Foster. I have my suspicions but they are not proven.) But you make a good point that Nixon's crimes were not committed by his own hand, where Clinton's certainly were. Still, I believe Nixon directed the whole mess even if he tried to keep his hands clean. Are you saying that Nixon didn't know about the crimes his subordinates committed until it was too late to stop them?

Jeff Thomas, you have an interesting point as well. However, we're not talking about a person who has just "been in prison a long time ago" for some indeterminate crime. We're talking about a man who took part in a conspiracy to alter an election. We're talking about a burglar. Of course burglary is "really" a crime, and of course I don't trust a burglar. If he had shown some remorse for being a burglar, I'd feel differently. A shotgun barrel too short is illegal only because someone arbitrarily set the length; it has NO relevance to whether burglary is wrong. If you think burglary is not a real crime, why aren't you out committing them right now? The answer, of course, is that you DO think it's wrong.

The day he says "You know, I was wrong. I should not have followed that order. I wish now that I hadn't. I want to apologize for what I put the nation through and take responsibility for my own actions" I will welcome him into the fold with open arms.

BTW, has anyone else notice how civil this has been so far? Thank you all.
 
Where I have relocated there are no stations that carry Liddy.....I like him, although a large dose of anyone, even my best friends is a bit much.

I seem to recall that the breakin might have had a dual purpose----the republicans were trying to get information that the democrats were running a call girl service for democrats and the bug that had been planted had either been planted in the wrong desk or had quit working....and thats why they went in. An interesting point about there being discovered was how they were discovered. When they had gone in they passed through selflocking doors, they taped over the lock so they could exit eaisly and a security guard making his rounds tried the door and it opened.......fubsy.
 
I'm probably coming across as more of a Liddy backer than I mean to be but again I will point out he did not steal anything. Also the comments about him trying to "alter" an election remind me of the Democrates saying congress was trying to "overturn" an election by impeaching Clinton. Liddy was trying to (illegally) obtain info to win an election. If that is altering an election then anybody who actively campaigns is trying to alter an election.
 
Don, the civility here is what keeps me around. It is rare for things to be otherwise, with the possible exception lately of some of these goofy Scout discussions.


Regarding Liddy, I think he is one of the best examples of taking responsibility for one's actions. Really. As I understand it, he did time because he refused to slough that responsibility off on others. He refused to cooperate with prosecutors who wanted to pursue the other parties involved. Liddy did time in prison because he refused to cooperate. I don't think the man has ever denied his participation in the crime. He did the crime, and he did the time.

And, regarding burglary, sure I think it is wrong. However, Liddy wasn't in there to heist a TV. This was always a political effort. I'll probably get taken to the woodshed for saying this, but ... if someone could embarrass a lying bozo like Schumer and get them out of the Senate by committing burglary and exposing their hypocrisy, I wouldn't hold that against them. I'm not advocating law breaking, but again ... I believe there is some relativity involved here. And, to be absolutely frank about it, I think we are naive to think that the enemies of freedom wouldn't do the same ... if you think about it, you'll be able to think of a few actual examples on your own.

Bottom line ... I like the way Liddy handled his 'crime' and its aftermath. I don't know enough about the burglary itself, but I don't regard this kind of thing as black and white. And, the man is upstanding in many ways. I admire him. Others can and will come to their own conclusions.

One final point, and it certainly doesn't apply to you, Don ... I just love it when liberals attack Liddy for his 'crime'. It's rather humorous to see them defending murderers, rapists and thieves, and then see them go after a guy like Liddy who was involved in a crime rooted in political espionage.

Regards from AZ

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited September 11, 2000).]
 
Liddy has discussed the circumstances surrounding the burglary, on the air. Unfortunately, I always seem to miss the most important parts of that discussion. The gist of it seems to be that he was told to obtain documents in a desk that would incriminate a government official involved in espionage or blackmail. He believed he was on a national security mission if I understand his statements. I wish I had listened more closely. I did hear him say just a few weeks ago that under the same circumstances, he would do it again.
 
Heck, I guess one of us is gonna have to get the book and read it...lol....I know he's got one out with that info in it somewhere...lol...fubsy.
 
Both of them hot air wind bags ;)
Can't stand either one :)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Liddy was trying to (illegally) obtain info to win an election. If that is altering an election then anybody who actively campaigns is trying to alter an election.[/quote]

Read that again carefully. You are saying that a person who breaks into the other party's headquarters to steal info is the same as a person knocking on doors for a candidate? That's simply not true. Burglary is immoral. Spying on one's political adversaries, through means recognized as "dirty," is immoral. It IS black and white. It is certainly NOT the same as hard, but CLEAN, campaigning! I can't believe I'm reading this.

Jeff, if he honestly thought that's what he was there to do, then I'm wrong and he's right. To be honest, I don't trust the man's account. Your explanation that he took responsibility by doing the time is a good one. On the other hand, if his superiors really did lie to him and give him false orders in order to manipulate him into committing a felony to rig an election, what sort of "honor" compels him to protect those men? If he's as innocent as he claims, and the public servant he claims to be, he should have told the prosecutor all he knew the moment he realized he'd been decieved. He didn't, and one can only guess why, but we know it wasn't in the best interest of our republic. It was obstruction of justice.

Well, we aren't going to settle it tonight, anyway....I'll see you folks in the morning.
 
Thinking about the burglary, it's not right, but IMO it is on a higher moral plane than the traditional method, which is, of course, work a mole into the other side's camp, feigning loyalty to them; in other words, personal betrayal!
crankshaft
paranoia is fine when they really are out to get You!
 
Don, we can agree to disagree. I'm not knowledgeable enough here to fall on my sword ... my wife read a couple of his books, and I'm getting most of my info from her and his show.

But I know he wasn't anything like a common burglar. And, as far as his response, I believe he has always maintained that John Dean set them all up, but Liddy kept his mouth shut because he was loyal to the administration and didn't care to 'rat' on the others that were effectively on his 'team'. Someone more knowledgeable can better express this, I'm sure.

I also don't care for his take on the Viet Nam War ... I don't think we ever belonged there. I believe Liddy is more concerned about our prosecution of the conflict, but he is right that our management of that war was nearly criminal. He can also be a bit overwhelming with some guests, and doesn't let them speak enough. Like I said ... he's not 'perfect'. But, I'll miss the man when he is gone.

I suppose what I do like about Liddy is that he brings a he!! of a lot more intellectual horsepower to most of his discussions than do 90% of the other talk show hosts. You can tell that many of them have very little philosophical foundation to work from. Liddy, OTOH, often teaches me something, and at least makes me do some research when I come home.

Take care, and regards from AZ
 
Don, we can agree to disagree. I'm not knowledgeable enough here to fall on my sword ... my wife read a couple of his books, and I'm getting most of my info from her and his show.

But I know he wasn't anything like a common burglar. And, as far as his response, I believe he has always maintained that John Dean set them all up, but Liddy kept his mouth shut because he was loyal to the administration and didn't care to 'rat' on the others that were effectively on his 'team'. Someone more knowledgeable can better express this, I'm sure.

I also don't care for his take on the Viet Nam War ... I don't think we ever belonged there. I believe Liddy is more concerned about our prosecution of the conflict, but he is right that our management of that war was nearly criminal. He can also be a bit overwhelming with some guests, and doesn't let them speak enough. Like I said ... he's not 'perfect'. But, I'll miss the man when he is gone.

I suppose what I do like about Liddy is that he brings a he!! of a lot more intellectual horsepower to most of his discussions than do 90% of the other talk show hosts. You can tell that many of them have very little philosophical foundation to work from. Liddy, OTOH, often teaches me something, and at least makes me do some research when I come home.

Take care, and regards from AZ
 
Ed2000, are you saying that its cool for the President to send Executive Branch goons to break into your office because there could be documents in your desk that may incriminate you in espionage or blackmail???

Old King George would be proud!
 
Hello Don, I’m not defending the breaking and entering. I’m just saying that the B&E was the only immoral part. My objection was to words like rig and altar. I think that implies the election would be invalid if the information was used in the campaign. In reality dirty tricks are used to gather info in almost every campaign, and just as in Liddy’s case, the candidate is removed from any illegal part so he can deny involvement with illegal activity. This gets back to why Jeff and I can respect him and still not approve of illegal activities. Liddy did a crime to, in his view, help his political party, and when he was caught, he kept his mouth shut and did the time rather than bargain away the party to ease his plight. The fact that the ploy didn’t work is another matter.
PS The civility here is one of reasons I like this place. Thanks, Griz
 
Don,

I am proud to say that I have been a G. Gordon Liddy fan ever since he first started broadcasting. I have listened to him for quite a bit of that time and generally find his show to be entertaining, especially when he brings on a controversial guest and gets involved in discussions concerning current topics of interest. Liddy also has more real-world experience in various areas than virtually any other radio talk-show host I can think of (Joy Browne may be close from what I remember).

Liddy is an educated man with a strong intellect, lots of personal experience, and strong personal beliefs, many of which I share and wish I was as good at as he.

Now, having said all this, I also recognize that Liddy, LIKE ALL OF US (you, I, and the rest of the members of this forum included) is a combination of both good and bad points. He does, like many people of strong convictions, push his opinions and thoughts to the edge of obsession. He can get very earthy at times, he rags on prison guards and corrections officers much more than he has to, and he has never been guilty of being too humble. He has a tough-guy image which he likes to push.

But he also has a sensitive side which can be brought out with proper prodding. I remember a time when a young girl of 10 or 12 called him very sad about the death of her pet. Gordon spent about 10 minutes talking to her, not as a child, but as a grieving young person and did a great job of explaining life and death on a level she could understand and consoling her on her loss. That one episode does a lot to blunt ANY criticism of Liddy.

Someone (Tecolote?) alluded to Liddy's admiration of Nazi's. I think this is a mischaracterization of his views. Liddy defintely likes Germans and has an admiration of many of their traits and their achievements. to include the quality of their military. But I have never heard or read anything which indicates that Liddy admired Nazis or their political and social ideals. Admiring Germans and admiring Nazis are two different things.

I listen to Liddy, respect him for his views and his good points, but am willing to state that he is not perfect. For these reasons I will continue to listen and support him.

Frosty
 
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