Is anybody else just about sick of G. Gordon Liddy?

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Don Gwinn

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I expect this to draw some disagreement and maybe a few flames, so you're not going to hurt my feelings, but I just read some advice to call G. Gordon Liddy for publicity. Now, I can appreciate that the enemy of our enemy is our friend, so I understand what motivates that. But just for the hell of it, I wonder if Liddy has any actual fans here on TFL?

His show is broadcast in the mornings here and I've just about had it with this windbag. His show is basically a call-in show for advice, kinda like a right-wing, felonious Dear Abby. Yes, he agrees with me on gun control and Bill Clinton. Good for him. But that doesn't change the fact that the man committed a felony in order to rig an election! He has committed serious crimes against our Constitution. To those of you who will tell me he has paid his debt and deserves a second chance, I say that I am willing to give him one the instant that he states on his radio show that he was wrong and regrets his crimes. Whining about how stupid prison guards are (sure, they're really dumb, but they got to go home at night, genius) and how the prosecutor was against him don't count.

It's bizarre to listen to his show. The other day I listened to 20 minutes while my wife was in the store. A woman called in at her wits' end to find out what to do with her daughter who was sleeping with a young drug dealer. Once I got over my shock at why in the world ANYONE would EVER seek the advice of G. Gordon Liddy on child-rearing and morality, I was even more shocked to hear him brow-beating her for her lack of moral vision and her ability to compromise her principles in order to be soft on her daughter. Now, he was basically correct and it probably had to be said--but where's his credibility? I'll leave you with the line he gave her about what a great father he was and why this would not have happened with his daughter. See if you can catch the flaw:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"When I went to prison I had a talk with my sons, and whenever their sister brought a boy home, he immediately knew that there was to be no funny business of any kind...and that's the kind of resolve and backbone you've gotta have...."[/quote]
 
G. Gordon Liddy (I was the one who gave the advice) is no different than Rush Limbaugh.

They're both annoying A-holes.

Yet, even annoying A-holes can be used to personal benefit.

In FUD's case, both men have large followings of right-thinking patriotic Americans, which is EXACTLY the kind of audience that FUD needs to hit with this little fiasco in which he's involved.

I've been unfortunate enough to meet both Liddy and Limbaugh, Limbaugh at an NRA Annual Meeting some years ago, and Liddy because he works out of WJFK radio a few miles from my home, and because my former boss is friends with him.

As for child rearing, yes, Liddy is a convicted felon, but for a non-violent political crime.

What exactly does that have to do with his capabilies as a parent?



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Reminds me:

Q: What's the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

A: One is a flaming Nazi gas bag; the other was a dirigible.
 
Folks, I enjoy both men being discussed. Rush is a major political/media figure who is on our side. He is main stream conservative republican and makes no appologies for it. I get ticked at him at times, but he is the only person who has EVER been able to break the liberal stranglehold of the broadcast media.

As for GG Liddy, he is one of the most intelligent men alive. You will realize this if you truly listen to him. He has a fine family and his expansive life experience is only a fraction of what we will hope to have. He is not perfect, but he is very entertaining, conveys important information, and eloquently defends our rights (all of them).

I find it disheartening how people wish to destroy their allies in the 2nd amendment battle just because of personality clashes.
 
Never heard liddy on radio as I dont know if his broadcast is sent out to so cal?

Have heard rush and dont seem to have any problems with him with the possible exception that there arnt anyone trying to build a NWO. And that there are no globalist,TLC,CFR, ETC ETC..

As I said I dont know anything about GGL, but giving advise to your kids on how to parent while you are going off to prison seems a little less than responsible parenting, btw where is/was the wife?
 
Jeff, CA; I am a Rush Limbaugh fan. I'm wondering what qualities you have observed that would lead you to see him as a Nazi.

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I love G Gordon. He has politically incorrect advice that's right 99% of the time for his callers. The fact that he was a convicted felon did bother me at first, but you have to understand, he was FOLLOWING ORDERS. He did the crime, did the time, and didn't rat on his higher-ups. Not defending him, but I think you should listen to him before you judge.

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Read Liddy's _Will_ Overall it's a good book, but his admiration for the Nazis is troubling. If you don't like his program don't punish yourself by listening to him.

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I don't get to hear G Gordon Liddy very often in Georgia unless he's substituting for someone who's absent that day locally. I listen mostly to Neal Boortz and Ken Hamblin and Ian Punnett.

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Mike, you say he committed a "non-violent political crime." I may be mistaken, but did he or did he not burglarize the party headquarters of an opposing political party in order to rig the election? That's not most of the world's definition of a political crime, though I'll grant that it wasn't violent. My definition of a "political crime" is a crime that's against the law BECAUSE of politics, not any and all crimes related to politics in any way. He committed burglary, helped rig an election, and obstructed justice.
What his crime has to do with his capabilities as a parent is that if nothing else, responsible parents do not commit felonies so that they can be there for their children and be good role models. He didn't do that.

Ed, I HAVE listened to the man. For awhile, I listened regularly. The impression I get is that Liddy and his fans THINK he is one of the most intelligent men alive. I'd rate him about average. I'll grant that he accomplished a lot before his little detour into crime, however. His intellect does not impress me.

Westtexas, you certainly are defending him. No need to pretend otherwise; we simply disagree. But if you've read my other posts, you know what I think of that "just following orders" line. An order to commit a burglary in order to tamper with an election is void. There's no excuse for following it. As for not ratting on his superiors, how is that a virtue? The man was obstructing justice, plain and simple.

Tecolote, that's good advice. I'd nearly broken the habit. I don't know why I listened that day. If the Million Mom March had a radio show, I'd probably listen to them too, knowing me. :rolleyes:


So, for those of you who defend Liddy--what's your take on his constant harping on Clinton? Is Clinton worse than Nixon was? If not, how can anyone take Liddy seriously when he blasts Clinton, knowing that he was in on Nixon's crimes?

Actually, the irony is that I can tolerate Rush Limbaugh. Although he goes over the top on his show from time to time, he doesn't seem to me to practice the level of hypocrisy that Liddy does.
 
Don, I find your comments interesting. Rush gets on my nerves after awhile ... I just don't care for the constant 'look at how great I am' routine. But, I do appreciate that he seems to be a little more reasonably critical of the Republicans these days.

G. Gordan Liddy, on the other hand, is miles ahead of Rush, IMHO.

I read your post twice. As far as I can tell, you generally agree with Liddy, but you can't get around his conviction for burglary (or whatever it ended up to be - I honestly don't recall).

I suppose I see it this way:

1. I find Liddy to be eminently logical 99% of the time. I too feel that he is an extremely intelligent guy. And, I think I understand and appreciate his ethics. I don't care for his support of the War on Some Drugs. However, for the most part, I find very much to respect in this man as a human being. Strength of his convictions, mental acuity and logical thought, physical strength and stamina, speaking ability, life experiences, and his ability to adapt.

2. Long ago I gave up the notion that my country's laws would dictate how I felt about someone's morality and ethics. We see this all the time with the RKBA. Am I truly to think less of someone who has been convicted of a crime, any crime? How can that be, since I don't agree with some of the laws in our country? Shall I think you to be disreputable because your shotgun is too short? No, I'll make my judgement of their morality based upon my own opinion of their 'transgression'. Personally, I think this is the only logical course ... if I had lived in South Africa (and ignoring the other politics for a moment), should I have thought less of Nelson Mandela because he was in prison?

3. Is illegal action against 'traitors' something that I should hold against the perpetrator? That is, if you or some other TFL member were to pull some dirty, illegal prank (nonviolent) against someone like Schumer, Feinstein, Brady or others, should I / would I disrespect that person and their act? To be frank, my answer is probably 'no'. IMHO, it is immature and disengenuous to ipso facto disrespect someone because they broke a law, when I don't philosophically agree with some of our laws. I must judge them as I see them. There are times when the ends do justify the means, and that is always a difficult equation. What illegal acts would you perform to save the life of your child, or any child? What illegal acts would you perform to protect the country wherein your child was to live? These questions are not always so easy to answer, IMHO.

So, I'm not sick of G. Gordon ... as a matter of fact, I'm disappointed that his show has been moved to a later time in our area. I get little chance to hear him anymore. The man has a better knowledge and grasp of history than most other hosts, is unfailingly polite to guests and callers, and brings great intellectual weight to his arguments.

I suppose I'd leave you with this thought. If you met a man in person whom you felt was incredibly intelligent and rational, but had spent time in prison, and that man offered rational advice to you ... would you ignore him because of that conviction 20 or 30 years before? For me, the answer is a clear 'no'.

I don't feel the man is perfect by any stretch, and as I noted, I disagree with him from time to time. But, I'm glad that America has had men like G. Gordon. I think we have had few his equal.

We will need more, and I hope our country is still capable of producing them.

Regards from AZ


ps - I think the Nazi jokes are pretty low brow ... more a reflection on liberal bigots, IMHO.
 
Liddy had me on his show a few months after my book was published. We made more sales that day and the week that followed than at any time before or since publication. In fact, the secretaries at Cumberland House told me they couldn't even take their lunch breaks because of all the calls that flooded the phone lnes. So I'm a big Liddy fan.

I also like Rush, although I admit he's not for everybody.

Even though we may not agree with these people on every issue, without their voices on the radio everyday, we'd be worse off as a society than we are now.

Robert
 
Is Clinton worse than Nixon - emphatically HELL YES!!!!! Nixon covered up a crime committed by his subordinates. Clinton has been the primary figure in a vast array of crimes against the constitution and various private citizens. He has abused his power in the worst way.

Did G. G. Liddy burglarize an opposing party headquarters to rig the election? NO he did not. He has stated (and has tried to get his accusers into court to prove) he was missled about the purpose of the burglary. He believed he was on a mission vital to our national security. I forget the details, but their was supposedly documents being passed to Soviet agents or something of that nature. Given this, he has said he would do the same thing again. I think one of his books gives these details, I just don't know them off the top of my head.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ed Brunner:
Jeff, CA; I am a Rush Limbaugh fan. I'm wondering what qualities you have observed that would lead you to see him as a Nazi.
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Lighten up. It's a joke. Good Lord. :rolleyes:
 
Jeff; I'm light. I'm sensitive to the word Nazi. Why not call him a Clymer?

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Jeff, we know it's a joke. But, it's a joked based upon the liberal attitude that so-called 'conservatives' are fascists, racists, insensitive ... you know the litany.

Ironically, many of us see people like Clinton, Gore, Lierberman, Schumer, Feinstein, etc. much, much more like Nazi's than I do the Limbaugh's of the world. What I find almost humorous is that they don't see their fascism.

Regards from AZ
 
ED2000 I Second your comparison of the current "president" with that of the latter.
I doubt that all the crimes will ever be known, they are too numerous.
 
I think G.Gordon is funny irreverrent and most often the person to call it like he sees it. some people are scared or offended by the smelly truth being stuffed under their nose. As for the advice he gives about parenting I'lllisten and take what I feel is relevant. I dont think anyone including Mr. Liddy has said his word should be taken as gospel. However, If I had to be away from my family and had 3 fit sons to watch over my daughter you can bet your ass I would have them do so! to sum things up. If you dont like what he says change the channel!
 
Liddy is an entertainer, pure and simple.

Having said that, I for one am sick of his double standard. I recall hearing him brag about he and his FBI partner, Big Tex whats-his-name beat a couple of suspects, people who still have rights; because they were mouthy with he and Big Tex, in an alley behind a bar in Indianapolis. Then, at least once each week he snivels about his "hard" five years in prison, as if any thug doing time under the care and custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons has it hard, or has ever had it hard. This is the same prison system that is known as "Club Fed" by state inmates across the US.

Burglary is a crime and should be a crime, even if the victims ARE Democrats.
 
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