Adamantium
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Oy, talk about a long read .
Okay, camparing a .308 to a 22LR. This strikes me as comparing pocket knife and a machete in terms of chopping ability. Just because in your personal experiance the machete has it doesn't mean the pocket knife will, even though the are both knives.
On the liver, here are a few quotes from an FBI publication(http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm) on wounding effectiveness.
"Further, the temporary cavity is caused by the tissue being stretched away from the
permanent cavity, not being destroyed. By definition, a cavity is a space18 in which
nothing exists. A temporary cavity is only a temporary space caused by tissue being
pushed aside. That same space then disappears when the tissue returns to its original
configuration."
""In the case of low-velocity missiles, e.g., pistol bullets, the bullet produces a
direct path of destruction with very little lateral extension within the
surrounding tissues. Only a small temporary cavity is produced. To cause
significant injuries to a structure, a pistol bullet must strike that structure
directly. The amount of kinetic energy lost in tissue by a pistol bullet is
insufficient to cause remote injuries produced by a high velocity rifle bullet."20
The reason is that most tissue in the human target is elastic in nature. Muscle, blood
vessels, lung, bowels, all are capable of substantial stretching with minimal damage.
Studies have shown that the outward velocity of the tissues in which the temporary cavity
forms is no more than one tenth of the velocity of the projectile.21 This is well within the
elasticity limits of tissue such as muscle, blood vessels, and lungs, Only inelastic tissue
like liver, or the extremely fragile tissues of the brain, would show significant damage
due to temporary cavitation.22"
Fragmentation/Penetration.
I don't recall doubting the goat tests. Sure, when you shoot a goat it will die, but then again living things aren't all the same. Just because they have the same color hair, and smell the same doesn't mean that the all die the same. Its like telling someone to the exact second how long it takes a cat to die after being run over by a car with X tires and a car with Y tires.
And I personally don't see whats the big fuss about "The bullet that fragments will increase your chances of hiting vitals!" Well what if your bullet strikes a bone? That isn't going to help penetration any. Nor if you have to shoot through an arm, nor if initially put the bullet exactly where it needs to be and it flys off all around it. I also doubt 6 inches is more than enough to reach the heart. I'm an average teenage guy, who is about 9 inches thick(I measured myself, what to you mean I have too much time on my hands? ). For me, 6 inches would be enough if you shot me from the front/back and maybe the side. But then again not everyone is thin like me. I personally never saw the brillance of preparing yourself for the Best case scenario when anything less than that might not be enough.
Sincerely,
Adam
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Self improvement is a hobby of mine
Okay, camparing a .308 to a 22LR. This strikes me as comparing pocket knife and a machete in terms of chopping ability. Just because in your personal experiance the machete has it doesn't mean the pocket knife will, even though the are both knives.
On the liver, here are a few quotes from an FBI publication(http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm) on wounding effectiveness.
"Further, the temporary cavity is caused by the tissue being stretched away from the
permanent cavity, not being destroyed. By definition, a cavity is a space18 in which
nothing exists. A temporary cavity is only a temporary space caused by tissue being
pushed aside. That same space then disappears when the tissue returns to its original
configuration."
""In the case of low-velocity missiles, e.g., pistol bullets, the bullet produces a
direct path of destruction with very little lateral extension within the
surrounding tissues. Only a small temporary cavity is produced. To cause
significant injuries to a structure, a pistol bullet must strike that structure
directly. The amount of kinetic energy lost in tissue by a pistol bullet is
insufficient to cause remote injuries produced by a high velocity rifle bullet."20
The reason is that most tissue in the human target is elastic in nature. Muscle, blood
vessels, lung, bowels, all are capable of substantial stretching with minimal damage.
Studies have shown that the outward velocity of the tissues in which the temporary cavity
forms is no more than one tenth of the velocity of the projectile.21 This is well within the
elasticity limits of tissue such as muscle, blood vessels, and lungs, Only inelastic tissue
like liver, or the extremely fragile tissues of the brain, would show significant damage
due to temporary cavitation.22"
Fragmentation/Penetration.
I don't recall doubting the goat tests. Sure, when you shoot a goat it will die, but then again living things aren't all the same. Just because they have the same color hair, and smell the same doesn't mean that the all die the same. Its like telling someone to the exact second how long it takes a cat to die after being run over by a car with X tires and a car with Y tires.
And I personally don't see whats the big fuss about "The bullet that fragments will increase your chances of hiting vitals!" Well what if your bullet strikes a bone? That isn't going to help penetration any. Nor if you have to shoot through an arm, nor if initially put the bullet exactly where it needs to be and it flys off all around it. I also doubt 6 inches is more than enough to reach the heart. I'm an average teenage guy, who is about 9 inches thick(I measured myself, what to you mean I have too much time on my hands? ). For me, 6 inches would be enough if you shot me from the front/back and maybe the side. But then again not everyone is thin like me. I personally never saw the brillance of preparing yourself for the Best case scenario when anything less than that might not be enough.
Sincerely,
Adam
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Self improvement is a hobby of mine