I believe the auction had ended without the reserve price being met. The seller then contacted the OP and offered to sell him the gun for the OP's last bid. On Ebay they call this a "Second Chance Offer" and you are under no obligation to go through with the purchase at that point.
Is $612 to much for this gun(S&W586)?
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I believe the auction had ended without the reserve price being met. The seller then contacted the OP and offered to sell him the gun for the OP's last bid. On Ebay they call this a "Second Chance Offer" and you are under no obligation to go through with the purchase at that point.
MC 1911, apparently you are not familiar with GunBroker, or else you didn't read the OP carefully.
Re: GunBroker, if bids do not meet the reserve price, then the highest bid is not binding on either the bidder nor the seller. This auction ended with the reserve not met, so no binding sale was made.
Re: the rest of the OP, the seller then emailed the OP with a counter-offer, which the OP has considered but did not agree to. Since that time, the OP has learned from posters in this thread that the gun does not appear to have been accurately represented in the ad.
Your opinion on this seems to be that one-sided contracts are somehow binding, and that lying in an ad should not factor into the decision making process.
Perhaps you should ask the OP for the seller's info, so you can buy the misrepresented weapon at a stupid price.
One last thing - had the OP won the auction, but found out upon receipt that the gun did not match the box, and that it had also apparently been re-blued, he could have demanded the seller buy back the gun. Management at GunBroker would most likely back up the buyer, at least to the extent of banning the seller from listing more items.
So please tell us again how the OP fails to meet your ethical standard?
Re: GunBroker, if bids do not meet the reserve price, then the highest bid is not binding on either the bidder nor the seller. This auction ended with the reserve not met, so no binding sale was made.
Re: the rest of the OP, the seller then emailed the OP with a counter-offer, which the OP has considered but did not agree to. Since that time, the OP has learned from posters in this thread that the gun does not appear to have been accurately represented in the ad.
Your opinion on this seems to be that one-sided contracts are somehow binding, and that lying in an ad should not factor into the decision making process.
Perhaps you should ask the OP for the seller's info, so you can buy the misrepresented weapon at a stupid price.
One last thing - had the OP won the auction, but found out upon receipt that the gun did not match the box, and that it had also apparently been re-blued, he could have demanded the seller buy back the gun. Management at GunBroker would most likely back up the buyer, at least to the extent of banning the seller from listing more items.
So please tell us again how the OP fails to meet your ethical standard?
I just have a different set of values. If I give someone a price I'm willing to pay and they agree,I buy it. Kind of like me giving my word on something.
I do my research before hand & pay what I feel is a fair price. I do not go online and ask people what they think. I trust my own judgement right or wrong.
In 50 years I've never been disappointed. Of course I may have lowered my expectations in several cases LOL!!
I do my research before hand & pay what I feel is a fair price. I do not go online and ask people what they think. I trust my own judgement right or wrong.
In 50 years I've never been disappointed. Of course I may have lowered my expectations in several cases LOL!!
MC 1911, by using the Reserve Price function, the seller set up the incomplete sale. He did it to prevent a sale he would not have found acceptable; it is a double edged sword.
And, like I said, the seller very likely would have had to take the gun back, and eaten additional shipping costs.
As far as doing research before-hand, as this is now a separate transaction, that is exactly what the OP is doing.
And, like I said, the seller very likely would have had to take the gun back, and eaten additional shipping costs.
As far as doing research before-hand, as this is now a separate transaction, that is exactly what the OP is doing.
I am very familiar with GB. I also understood the OP's post very clearly as stated. The seller didn't counter offer,he agreed to the amount that was bid.
Semantics. Furthermore the OP had the pics BEFORE he placed a bid. The time to do research & ask questions is BEFORE you bid. If you make an offer on something & they accept,what is there to consider? They have met YOUR terms.
If the gun was misrepresented in the ad,that should have been considered BEFORE any bidding took place.That seems logical to me.
My opinion is, if you make an offer & its accepted its called a deal and there is nothing "one sided" about it. A concept apparently lost on a few.
Clear enough ?
Semantics. Furthermore the OP had the pics BEFORE he placed a bid. The time to do research & ask questions is BEFORE you bid. If you make an offer on something & they accept,what is there to consider? They have met YOUR terms.
If the gun was misrepresented in the ad,that should have been considered BEFORE any bidding took place.That seems logical to me.
My opinion is, if you make an offer & its accepted its called a deal and there is nothing "one sided" about it. A concept apparently lost on a few.
Clear enough ?
For somebody who is familiar with GB, you seem to have no idea what the rules are with regard to reserve prices.
Also note that once any bid has been made, the seller can't modify the auction - so he has to live with the reserve he set.
There was no contract. Your opinion is simply wrong.
Also note that once any bid has been made, the seller can't modify the auction - so he has to live with the reserve he set.
There was no contract. Your opinion is simply wrong.
The gun might be worth $400 as a shooter. I personally wouldn't pay that much for it but I don't really like the grips or sights on it. The finish looks like it may have been dinged up some and touched up or reblued.
I'd keep looking.
Lots of people on GB have ridiculously high "buy now" and reserve prices. They seem to just auto-relist the guns when the auctions expire with the reserve never being met. They are not motivated sellers I guess. They'd rather wait 4 or 5 months until someone who really wants the gun wanders by willing to pay their price.
You have to be patient and check back regularly for any specific model you are looking for. Eventually you'll find one that fits both your desires and your budget (or else you'll learn that you haven't been realistic about your budget.)
I'd pass on it and keep looking.
I'd keep looking.
Lots of people on GB have ridiculously high "buy now" and reserve prices. They seem to just auto-relist the guns when the auctions expire with the reserve never being met. They are not motivated sellers I guess. They'd rather wait 4 or 5 months until someone who really wants the gun wanders by willing to pay their price.
You have to be patient and check back regularly for any specific model you are looking for. Eventually you'll find one that fits both your desires and your budget (or else you'll learn that you haven't been realistic about your budget.)
I'd pass on it and keep looking.
If being ethical,doing my research before I make an offer on something & then following thru is odd,then yes I'm happy to be the odd man out.
Nowhere do I endorse unethical practices!! I endorse knowing what you are looking at and making a common sense decision. If the OP had the knowledge at what he was looking at,maybe he wouldn't have bid.
I don't have a problem with him not buying the gun.I have a problem in how he did it. You can twist it whichever way you like.
Nowhere do I endorse unethical practices!! I endorse knowing what you are looking at and making a common sense decision. If the OP had the knowledge at what he was looking at,maybe he wouldn't have bid.
I don't have a problem with him not buying the gun.I have a problem in how he did it. You can twist it whichever way you like.
Not sure where the controversy here is coming from. The original poster clearly said that the auction had expired without the reserve price being met.
Then later the seller contacted him directly and offered to sell it to him at his high bid price. Well, too late for the seller, the auction was over at that point. No more contractual obligation.
Now if the buyer were still interested, then sure, they could have struck a private deal. But it looks like he's no longer interested. So the buyer should just re-list it with a more realistic reserve price, or hold out until he finds a buyer at his price point.
Nobody did anybody wrong, that's how the process works.
Then later the seller contacted him directly and offered to sell it to him at his high bid price. Well, too late for the seller, the auction was over at that point. No more contractual obligation.
Now if the buyer were still interested, then sure, they could have struck a private deal. But it looks like he's no longer interested. So the buyer should just re-list it with a more realistic reserve price, or hold out until he finds a buyer at his price point.
Nobody did anybody wrong, that's how the process works.
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Enough. If the op has followed the auction sites published rules regarding the auction process then he is in the clear plain and simple.
As for this thread, it is going in a direction that it's counter to our rules, and that could wind up being a serious problem.
Closed.
As for this thread, it is going in a direction that it's counter to our rules, and that could wind up being a serious problem.
Closed.
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