Wildalaska
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International relations is a bit more complex than "growing a pair". If Islam is pathalogic then so is Christianity by the way. Study up.
WildhasapearAlaska
Iran is crazy, just plain crazy
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International relations is a bit more complex than "growing a pair". If Islam is pathalogic then so is Christianity by the way. Study up.
WildhasapearAlaska
The middle east
I hope im alive to see the day that the middle east (the whole place) is inhabited by only workers pumping out oil for its new owners the U.S.A. and Russia. I mean we have to be nice and share. As for what happened to the past occupiers of this part of the world, I dont care.
I hope im alive to see the day that the middle east (the whole place) is inhabited by only workers pumping out oil for its new owners the U.S.A. and Russia. I mean we have to be nice and share. As for what happened to the past occupiers of this part of the world, I dont care.
LOL @ grow a pair
anybody with a pair can start a war... it takes a guy who has a brain and a strategy to win it.
I remember rounding up the young bulls in the spring and breaking out the rubber band to get rid of the pair the young bulls had too many bulls in a herd is counterproductive. Maybe we need to break those rubber bands back out and take some pairs away from folks and make them use the grey matter. There is a time to break out the can of whoopass and a time to use the grey matter and do things behind the scenes...without much ado and chest thumping.
Western Civilization has been dabbling in the middle east since Alexander the Great and yet we still come up on the short end of the stick.....go figure
Contrary to popular notions there are some Muslims who belive that Islam must undergo a reformation much like Chritianity did. Arabs only make up 15% of the Muslim world. Chrisitanity took the secular path, Islam never did. Turkey is the only secular Muslim state and the only Islamic state to condem Iran. There are some Muslims who want a different future for Islam. When Israel intervenes in the Arab counties it give the street corner mullahs on thier milk crates more proof of the "evil" zionists in Israel are out to destroy Islam and will only serve to increase the recruitment of those we are fighting in Iraq. less is better in this situation
anybody with a pair can start a war... it takes a guy who has a brain and a strategy to win it.
I remember rounding up the young bulls in the spring and breaking out the rubber band to get rid of the pair the young bulls had too many bulls in a herd is counterproductive. Maybe we need to break those rubber bands back out and take some pairs away from folks and make them use the grey matter. There is a time to break out the can of whoopass and a time to use the grey matter and do things behind the scenes...without much ado and chest thumping.
Western Civilization has been dabbling in the middle east since Alexander the Great and yet we still come up on the short end of the stick.....go figure
Contrary to popular notions there are some Muslims who belive that Islam must undergo a reformation much like Chritianity did. Arabs only make up 15% of the Muslim world. Chrisitanity took the secular path, Islam never did. Turkey is the only secular Muslim state and the only Islamic state to condem Iran. There are some Muslims who want a different future for Islam. When Israel intervenes in the Arab counties it give the street corner mullahs on thier milk crates more proof of the "evil" zionists in Israel are out to destroy Islam and will only serve to increase the recruitment of those we are fighting in Iraq. less is better in this situation
Ah, the American way. Nothing like advocating the genocide of native people to satisfy a greedy desire for resources.
Try explaining that to the multitude of bigots that have this silly idea that all muslims want to kill the rest of the world. The koran says to kill in the name of allah, the bible says to kill in the name of yaweh. Big fracking difference but no, it's so wrong to ever suggest that there are actually decent people of islam that don't condone brutal murders.
I think some people won't be happy until only christians are around to complain about each other. Won't that be fun...
Let's see, the last Crusade was when? Just when was the last time that religious reasons were actually held up as a purpose to attack Muslims, by any other religion? Before the Crusades, when did Christians advocate attacking Muslims? Oh wait, that would have been about the same time that the Muslims were attacking Europe, right?
Man, going back several hundreds of years seems to be a pretty weak arguement. The Arab culture flourished, and, as with any other civilization, weakened and was swept away. Trying to tie the Crusades to today's Muslim attacks on Western Civilization is ridiculous.
By the way, the B'aathist party is a secular form of government. The only time that religion matters to them is when they need to incite the rabble.
I guess that the majority of Western peoples are used to hearing about it when someone opposes actions taken on their behalf. The resounding silence from the Muslim Organizations leads them to assume that there must be at least passive approval of the actions being taken in the name of their religion.
The "grow a pair" discussion illuminates the differences between those who advocate defending Western Civilization, and those who just believe that "they don't get it". Should the Western Powers finally decide that they need to rid themselves of the fundamentalist Muslims, they would take a page from their manual, and destroy the seats of their power. That would be the sea of sympathizers they live with. Fundamentalists believe that there are no innocents in the West, and feel a God-given right to wage war on women and children. This is against everything that Western governments hold dear. However, as the tide of public feeling turns a little more after each terrorist operation, the impetus to let them feel what we feel grows a little stronger. Watching crowds of people dancing in the streets after an incident makes it hard to believe that these people disapprove of the religious soldiers actions.
Genocide isn't impossible, it's just something that we'd rather not contemplate until it seems the only way. The Muslim Culture is making it easier and easier to view as a single entity, and that's not healthy for them. It's much more likely to result in villyfying them as a rule, then destroying them as a solution.
Man, going back several hundreds of years seems to be a pretty weak arguement. The Arab culture flourished, and, as with any other civilization, weakened and was swept away. Trying to tie the Crusades to today's Muslim attacks on Western Civilization is ridiculous.
By the way, the B'aathist party is a secular form of government. The only time that religion matters to them is when they need to incite the rabble.
I guess that the majority of Western peoples are used to hearing about it when someone opposes actions taken on their behalf. The resounding silence from the Muslim Organizations leads them to assume that there must be at least passive approval of the actions being taken in the name of their religion.
The "grow a pair" discussion illuminates the differences between those who advocate defending Western Civilization, and those who just believe that "they don't get it". Should the Western Powers finally decide that they need to rid themselves of the fundamentalist Muslims, they would take a page from their manual, and destroy the seats of their power. That would be the sea of sympathizers they live with. Fundamentalists believe that there are no innocents in the West, and feel a God-given right to wage war on women and children. This is against everything that Western governments hold dear. However, as the tide of public feeling turns a little more after each terrorist operation, the impetus to let them feel what we feel grows a little stronger. Watching crowds of people dancing in the streets after an incident makes it hard to believe that these people disapprove of the religious soldiers actions.
Genocide isn't impossible, it's just something that we'd rather not contemplate until it seems the only way. The Muslim Culture is making it easier and easier to view as a single entity, and that's not healthy for them. It's much more likely to result in villyfying them as a rule, then destroying them as a solution.
I think this conversation has taken a turn. For my part, I was not talking about Israel, Christians, or whoever going to war with Islam. I only meant to say that I would not be surprised (or, for that matter, disappointed) if Israel made a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear weapons facilities.
Tim
Tim
There may be "moderate" muslems.
However, islam itself is not "moderate" in any way, shape, or form.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just being a good muslem, so far everything he has said fits well within accepted islamic theology. Thus the lack of outcry over his comments from within the muslem world.
However, islam itself is not "moderate" in any way, shape, or form.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just being a good muslem, so far everything he has said fits well within accepted islamic theology. Thus the lack of outcry over his comments from within the muslem world.
shootinstudent
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Rebar, could you tell us how many Muslim sources you checked before you arrived at this conclusion? I'd like a straight answer to that question...ie, which Arab/Muslim or any newspapers you went to first to see what the Muslim world was saying about Ahmadinejad.
Here's what I found on a short search. Would you please add the Arab dailies listed below to your list, so that next time you have an idea about what the Muslim world is thinking about some such event, you'll be able to check first?:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4621699.stm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9F1B4C20-E566-4FC5-A124-6A11CD4D41FA.htm
http://secularcaniranik.blogs.com/scaniranic/2005/12/the_genius_clar.html
Written to Ahmadinejad:
http://www.nourizadeh.com/archives/001526.php
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/749/pr3.htm
http://www.iran-daily.com/1384/2319/html/national.htm
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2005-daily/08-11-2005/oped/o3.htm
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=795782
http://daneshjoo.org/cgi-bin/publishers/currentnews/exec/view.cgi?archive=9885&num=2509
shootinstudent:
Don't show me a few isolated blog entries and claim them as evidence. You're all about "the sources", remember?
Show me official government reactions to Ahmadinejad's speech from muslem countries. As far as I know, only Turkey (which is secular anyway) has condemed his words. My search found... a deep silence.
I also note, not for the first time either, that you refuse to address the issue of the extreme hatred for the jewish people within the islamic world. Not suprising though, nor would it if you supported Iran's quest for nuclear weapons.
Don't show me a few isolated blog entries and claim them as evidence. You're all about "the sources", remember?
Show me official government reactions to Ahmadinejad's speech from muslem countries. As far as I know, only Turkey (which is secular anyway) has condemed his words. My search found... a deep silence.
I also note, not for the first time either, that you refuse to address the issue of the extreme hatred for the jewish people within the islamic world. Not suprising though, nor would it if you supported Iran's quest for nuclear weapons.
shootinstudent
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Rebar,
Sorry, those aren't obscure...I posted from Arab papers, pretty popular ones (I can obviously only post from those that post in English.)
Demanding statements from regimes that aren't elected is kind of silly as a method of gauging what the Arab world thinks, isn't it? And besides...the people quoted in my sources are not random folks. They are professors, TV personalities, Government officials, and one source is from a pro-democracy site. I suggest you read them again.
Interesting that you mention this. Iran treats Iranian Jews better than any other middle eastern state I'm aware of. And that's not propaganda talk:http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1998/02/03/intl/intl.3.html
They are guaranteed religious freedom by the 1979 constitution, there is a guaranteed seat for a Jewish member of the Iranian parliament, and they are free to own businesses and join the government (though job discrimination does seem to be a problem.)
Do you have any more unresearched claims you'd like to make?
Sorry, those aren't obscure...I posted from Arab papers, pretty popular ones (I can obviously only post from those that post in English.)
Demanding statements from regimes that aren't elected is kind of silly as a method of gauging what the Arab world thinks, isn't it? And besides...the people quoted in my sources are not random folks. They are professors, TV personalities, Government officials, and one source is from a pro-democracy site. I suggest you read them again.
Interesting that you mention this. Iran treats Iranian Jews better than any other middle eastern state I'm aware of. And that's not propaganda talk:http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1998/02/03/intl/intl.3.html
They are guaranteed religious freedom by the 1979 constitution, there is a guaranteed seat for a Jewish member of the Iranian parliament, and they are free to own businesses and join the government (though job discrimination does seem to be a problem.)
Do you have any more unresearched claims you'd like to make?
Considering what the supposedly freely elected president of Iran has been saying, I'd take the claims of "good treatment" with a huge grain of salt. And when Israel strikes, it won't be a good day to be jewish anywhere in the muslim world.
You really crack me up. Being a good dhimmi is one thing, but to try and deny the fundimental and vitrolic hatred of jews in the islamic world is really too much.
Benonymous
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Israel
Does Israel have nukes?
Does Israel have nukes?
I guess vitrol is just pumping you forward because I just cannot understand your bigoted HATRED toward everything and everyone. :barf:
Your statement indicated a "generality" and not a specific need for commentary from muslem govt's. Thus, you attempt to redefine your argument as each point you raise is decimated by factual evidence opposite to your unsubstantiated and unsupported "truths".
YOU may believe what you like even if it's only your own version of fantasy island. However, don't expect others to rally to your vision when the reality is very very different.
BTW the various links were to NEWS organizations like the BBC, Al Jazeera, the Iran Daily, etc. and not just random blogger reports. WHO do you think reports what the govt' and the people say & believe?
The news is reported by news reporters and usually reflects the voices and opinions of govt's and people. So, when you altered your original premise to a new premise and now insist on links to "official" govt responses, you already got 'em. Afterall, the news reporter had to get his info from someone.
shootinstudent
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Here's an idea: instead of just accepting people's claims, how about you research them before repeating them?
I provided the Christian Science monitor. Is that a propaganda piece for the Mullahs?
Nice dodge. I provided sources, you claimed the opposite without providing any.
TheBluesMan
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I'm sorry, but this has veered too significantly to be ignored any longer.
Closed for focusing on religion rather than politics.
Closed for focusing on religion rather than politics.
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