(Iowa) Shoemaker ready to risk it all for militia movement

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Man, oh man. Is the government about to overtly assume the role of "domestic enemy" to the Constitution? Seems that something like this is called for.

This fellow has convictions that he is willing to die for, and is unabashed in saying so. I wish we had more like him, not fewer. He is no more a nut than Jefferson and Washington were. They had had enough of their government's interference with their lives, and said so in terms that could not be misunderstood. Why is this gentleman being lambasted here by people who are supposedly on the same side as he because he is willing to do the same? That makes no sense to me at all.

I hope that the "authorities" took their oath of office seriously. They are about to get an opportunity to demostrate it to the whole nation. I particularly hope they recall that part about "defending the Constitution of the United States".

I also hope they take note of the fact that this guy is going to be standing out there alone, but that does not at all mean that he is "alone". My bet is that he'll have friends watching his back from nearby. It'll be interesting to see if these "peace officers" are intent enough on violating his rights that they are willing to risk getting shot at over it.

And THAT, folks, is what the Second Amendment is all about, and why we MUST fight for it tooth and nail, in every venue, and in every manner available to us.

This is a man to be admired, not chastised. That most of us lack enough conviction to do the same is an indictment of US, not HIM.
 
Bravo Bob!! Well said!

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
I know that John form Concealcarry.org will be there with appropriate amount of cameras. This was also posted within the Tranny Response Team. I hope many of us can make it out there in atleast to bear witness. if my wife wasn't ready to pop I'd be there! By the way this will be in Illinois not Iowa.
 
If he wants to protest...fine.

Show up with an unloaded rifle, make a speach, get arrested, and take on the system in the courts.

Resisting arrest, discharging a firearm in city limits, shooting at anyone, killing anyone, and getting killed are all thinks which will badly damage the RKBA's status.

Remember, most people are neutral on issues of the 2nd Amendment. (Yes, it's true.) Scaring them while providing years of PR for the antis is not the way to go about "fighting" for our cause.
 
Sorry Erik - The PR war was lost along time ago. Fence Sitters are just that and the anti's are not going to be convinced otherwise anyway.

It is high time that the Statists begin to realize that making laws to abridge the 2nd Amend. will do nothing but piss people off and get them involved in a civil war. They must realize that if they want my guns they are going to have to come and get em.

This guy is saying just that - come and get em - and they had better be prepared to pay the price for them.

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
Whether he's nuts or not, I don't know him so I can't say. The man's got brass. Remember, to many American citizens, we're all nutcases too cause we walk around with guns on our hips...and extra magazines too!! Who would do that if they weren't "crazy" by the majority's standards :(

I of course don't want to see anyone hurt. But the man's got a right to do what he's doing so long as he doesn't violate anyone elses liberty in the process.

The real question is: Will he do it?
 
I agree usp45. The resistance has to start somewere. Why not with him. Anyone who can be there to surround him should be. The more the better. How about everyone on this thread? Can we make it there?
 
I have to protest those who say "he shouldn't do that he'll make us all look bad".

Well, guess what, we can look good and compromise until we're handing in our bolt-actions.

I would not do what he is doing. If he goes through with it he has a lot of b***s. If he takes it only part way he'll spend a lot of time in jail.


Battler.
 
From the Illinois Militia website,
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>WESTERN ILLINOIS MILITIA REPORT - MAY 23, 2000

THREE POLICE DEPARTMENTS REFUSE TO STATE LOYALTY TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES

MILITIA WILL TEST THE GOVERNMENT WITH DEMONSTRATION OF FREEDOM


On April 15, 2000, three policemen spent nearly three hours interrogating Captain Dan Shoemaker, Commanding Officer of the Western Illinois Militia. While they were interrogating him, Capt. Shoemaker was questioning them to determine if they were loyal to the U.S. Constitution. This happened at the door of Shoemaker's residence in Galesburg. Shoemaker observed no evidence that any of these policemen are loyal to the U.S. Constitution. These policemen and their departments are agent Gary Karns with the FBI (309) 764-9559, Dennis Shepherd with the Galesburg Police Dept. and Doug Alexander with the Monmouth Police Dept.
Their surveillance of the Militia had informed them that a demonstration of freedom is coming in June. This was their primary reason for talking to Shoemaker. These policemen and their departments are absolutely opposed to the exercise of Constitutional Freedom as codified in the Bill of Rights. They desire to stop any such demonstration. It is observed that the leaders of these police departments intend to act in such a way as to weaken or destroy the U. S. Constitution.

During the conversation, Shoemaker gave these men many opportunities to state their loyalty. He reminded them that on their first day of service that they had raised their right hand and sworn to ''support and defend the Constitution of the United States.'' At one point he taunted them, saying, ''You guys are only loyal to your next paycheck!'' Officer Alexander stated that his primary concern was public safety. Shoemaker responded that this was no different from the primary concern of policemen in Red China and asked what made Alexander different from them? Alexander could give no answer.

Agent Karns said of the planned demonstration, ''Dan, this is the most irrational thing I have ever heard you say!'' Shoemaker responded, ''Of course it is bizarre for a man to desire to be free inside of a police state.''

June 17th is the anniversary date of the Battle of Bunker Hill. Bunker Hill is perhaps the greatest historic battle between American Militia forces and the enemies of Freedom. On June 17th, Capt. Shoemaker will conduct a test to determine whether or not our various domestic governments are loyal to and subordinate to the Constitution of the United States.

On this date he will put on his Militia uniform, strap on all of his battle equipment, including his personal weapons, and pick up his rifle. Then he will walk around the Public Square, the Public Safety Building, and court houses in Galesburg and Monmouth. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A NONVIOLENT DEMONSTRATION.

There will be a public Militia meeting on June 10th.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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What do you all think about calling the Police Departments in Galesburg, Ill., and Monmouth, Ill (from a phone booth, if you prefer) and telling them we support him fully and we will be watching how well they believe and sustain the oath they took when they were sworn in.

I believe, that with enough support expressed, any kind of disaster could be avoided.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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John - I'll be making that call in the AM!!

Good Idea!

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
John, Cass, Bob and others of like mind; I agree. Wish I had more money or lived closer. I am old, I know what round muzzle flashes mean and I have already done enough. Would be a great time to take a walk in the city centre.

Sam
 
Also from their site,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Demonstration of Freedom

June 17, 2000 9:00 AM

(The following is a transcription of the press release issued to news and law enforcement agencies. - TDL)



WESTERN ILLINOIS MILITIA REPORT

June 1, 2000
PHONE: 309-342-8316 www.illinoismilitia.org

COMPLETE REPORT ON THE DEMONSTRATION OF FREEDOM AND CONSTITUTIONAL TEST OF THE GOVERNMENT ON JUNE 17, 2000
by
Captain Dan Shoemaker

WHAT WILL HAPPEN? On June 17, a demonstration of freedom is scheduled to be conducted by Capt. Dan Shoemaker. Shoemaker will wear his Militia uniform and carry weapons while taking a walk in the center of Galesburg and Monmouth. The demonstration will begin at 9:00 AM near the square in Galesburg. If everything remains the same the demonstration in Monmouth will begin at about 10:15 AM in the block south of the public safety building on Main Street.

THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A NONVIOLENT DEMONSTRATION.

Even though this is intended to be a nonviolent demonstration, physical intervention by government agents or perhaps by others may cause this to be a violent event. The information in this report is intended to prevent such an unfortunate occurrence.

WHY IS THIS SO LEGALLY CONTROVERSIAL? Illinois law tightly controls or prohibits the carrying of deadly weapons. If the U.S. Constitution was not present to protect Shoemaker, Illinois law would indicate that carrying weapons by a citizen is a felony law violation. In some other states this demonstration would be legal without question.

WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS DEMONSTRATION? On June 10, at the 5th annual public meeting of the Western Illinois Militia, Capt. Shoemaker will announce that members of the Western Illinois Militia have the uninfringed right to keep and to bear arms. This right is derived from the second amendment to the U. S. Constitution and is available to members of this Militia for the reasons detailed in this report. The purpose of this political activity is to take back a small amount of freedom. It should be clearly understood that we are not attempting to do anything new. This constitutional freedom has always existed and the Militia is simply claiming it now. The Militia is not attempting to claim this right for all citizens of Illinois. Capt. Shoemaker believes that his abilities are limited to simply claiming this freedom only for members of the Western Illinois Militia. It should be noted that membership in this Militia is open to all sincere Illinois citizens. Therefore other citizens may enjoy their second amendment freedom by joining the Western Illinois Militia.

WHAT DOES THE SECOND AMENDMENT SAY? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

WHY IS THIS A TEST FOR THE GOVERNMENT? All domestic governments must be subordinate to the Constitution of the United States. No domestic government can govern outside of or in a superior way to the U. S. Constitution. NO GOVERNMENT CAN DENY CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM TO ITS CITIZENS. Government officials and policemen take an oath and swear to "support the Constitution of the United States". At this time it is being demonstrated why that loyalty oath is mandated for the police and government leaders. Current Illinois law denies easy access for most citizens to enjoy their second amendment freedom. Currently only policemen in Illinois enjoy the uninfringed ability to carry weapons. So this demonstration will determine in a public way whether or not Illinois is a police state.

Domestic governments which work to halt this demonstration or penalize Shoemaker for his participation can be said to have failed in their responsibility to uphold and be loyal to the U. S. Constitution.

Individual government agents and leaders whether they be policemen, judges, states attorneys, the attorney general or the governor, who may attempt to stop this demonstration of Constitutional Freedom may have to address the issue of whether or not they are committing treason and are breaking their oath of loyalty to the U. S. Constitution.

WHAT MAKES THE WESTERN ILLINOIS MILITIA A VALID AND WELL REGULATED MILITIA? This Militia has been in existence since 1995. In 1996 we became a public access Militia. Later, as the officer's corps inside the Militia was developed, membership was opened up to any Illinois resident. The Western Illinois Militia has a 5 year record of existence. Beginning in 1996 we held one annual public meeting each year. The Government has been able to address the Militia at each of these meetings. For 5 years the government has shown acceptance of our existence as a citizen's Militia. This Militia has worked hard to insure continuous existence, to develop good officers, and to develop good policy.

THESE THINGS PROVIDE FOR A WELL REGULATED MILITIA FROM INSIDE THE MILITIA:

1. Each member swears an oath to support and defend the U. S. Constitution.
2. Each member must complete an application form to enter.
3. Each member must sign a basic enlistment agreement to join. This includes an agreement to abide by all Militia policy and to follow orders in accordance with that policy.
4. Each member must sign an agreement not to spy on, sabotage, or disperse the Militia.
5. The stated goal of this Militia is to support and defend the U. S. Constitution and to work to restore constitutional Liberty.
6. This Militia has a moral code of conduct which prohibits purposely causing harm to noncombatants or innocent people. Each member agrees to abide by this code of conduct.
7. Officers are democratically elected or approved annually in accordance with internal policy.
8. External policy was implemented in 1996. This policy limits the conduct of members. It prohibits members from participating in any attempt to overthrow the United States Government. It prohibits members from attempting to harm the President of the United States. It regulates the Militia in other ways.
9. Internal policy was implemented in 1998. This further regulates the conduct of officers and members in their conduct inside the Militia. It provides for the best possible response to emergencies, etc..
10. One or more Militia officers has always been available to communicate with government agents or leaders since 1996.

THESE ARE THE WAYS THE GOVERNMENT REGULATES THE WESTERN ILLINOIS MILITIA:

1. The federal, state, and local governments provide oversight for the Western Illinois Militia in a variety of ways. Throughout the history of this Militia this oversight has often been antagonistic and harsh. The fact that the Western Illinois Militia still exists and has not been dispersed by the government indicates that it has survived an intense, informal regulatory process.
2. The state and federal governments routinely conduct surveillance directed at this Militia thereby regulating it and providing oversight.
3. The state government routinely lists every known member of the Western Illinois Militia on the Illinois State Police computer as, "considered armed and dangerous". If this is not a process used to regulate the Militia, then it is in violation of the Illinois State Constitution.
4. Some members of this Militia possess Illinois F.O.I.D cards (firearms owner identification). This is an obvious regulatory action by the state government. Our policy does not mandate the possession of this card for membership as it may be an infringement of our right to keep and bear arms.

All of these things work together to cause the Western Illinois Militia to be a "well regulated Militia."

THE STATE OF ILLINOIS MUST ALLOW THE EXISTENCE OF A WELL REGULATED CITIZEN'S MILITIA BECAUSE IT HAS NOT PROVIDED EASY PUBLIC ACCESS TO A STATE SPONSORED MILITIA. To deny the existence of a well regulated citizen's Militia would mean denying Illinois citizens their second amendment rights.

In other words, if the police are the only class of citizen in Illinois who have the uninfringed right or ability to keep and bear Arms, then by constitutional definition, Illinois is a Police State.

WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN ON JUNE 17th? This Demonstration of Freedom occurs on the anniversary date of the battle of Bunker Hill. In that battle American Militia volunteers fought enemies of Freedom. Out of this battle comes the American expression, "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes!"

The following reasons may cause police to detain or kill Capt. Dan Shoemaker on, before, or after June 17:

1. Police may desire to enforce the letter of the law without using their discretion to allow for the exercise of constitutional freedom.
2. If an effort is made to detain Shoemaker, he will resist. This would cause an escalation of events until the established government forces prevail.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CAPT. SHOEMAKER'S PERSONAL POLICY TO PREPARE TO RESIST BEING DETAINED AT ALL TIMES.

The following reasons may cause police not to detain or kill Capt. Dan Shoemaker on, before, or after June 17:

1. Police and other government officials may be loyal to the U. S. Constitution and therefore desire to allow the exercise of constitutional freedom.
2. Police and other officials desire that their local area should remain peaceful and should not be turned into a smoking battlefield.
3. Police and other officials know and understand that if they make a mistake this demonstration might turn into a national or international news event.
4. Shoemaker will conduct this demonstration alone. Police may not be sure how the rest of the Militia would react to Shoemaker's death or detention.
5. There are others in the general population who may react with deadly force if Shoemaker is killed in a direct effort to take back our freedom. These potential shooters remain unknown to the police.
6. Police leaders and especially the FBI are concerned that a political dissident leader and author like Capt. Shoemaker might be turned in to a martyr. From their point of view this would be counter productive.
7. Policemen recognize that they hired on to be policemen and not soldiers. They may prefer not to get involved with hunting a man who will hunt them if provoked.
8. Some policemen fear God. Dan Shoemaker is openly stating that to the best of his personal discernment, he believes that God wants him to conduct this demonstration of freedom. Some policemen are concerned that even if Shoemaker is subdued or killed, that there is no way they can win such a confrontation.
9. Police and other officials may hope to down play this demonstration hoping it will be a quiet event. Certainly, Shoemaker hopes it will be a quiet, peaceful demonstration.

In November, 1999, something of a personal nature happened to Captain Dan Shoemaker which caused him to lose his fear of death. He understands that now is the time to take back our freedom.

Captain Shoemaker would like to state his appreciation to all members of the Western Illinois Militia, past and present. Their personal efforts have allowed the Militia to develop to the present state of readiness. Their support has encouraged Capt. Shoemaker to make his best effort.

DEATH TO TYRANTS.
LONG LIVE LIBERTY.

LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
At 109K, this is a little too big.

This certainly could be an important event in our fight to keep our RKBA. Remember, this is in ILLINOIS not Iowa.

Someone start a part 2...

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