Interesting RKBA Quote from Condi Rice

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If you haven't heard about Condi Rice, you need to. She's the National Security Advisor for Dubya, holding Henry Kissinger's old post.

From an AP report titled Rice returns to another Bush administration, we have this snippet:
Condoleezza Rice was born in segregated Birmingham, Ala., in the autumn of 1954. She was just 9 years old when a bomb exploded in the 16th Street Baptist Church, infamously killing four black girls, including a friend from kindergarten. Rice was at Sunday School, a couple blocks away.

They were scary times, she said.

"The men in the community, my father among them, would go to the head of the cul-de-sac at night and sit there armed to keep night riders from coming through," she wrote in an essay for Time magazine.
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Emphasis added.

Do you think she "gets" the importance of RKBA?



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My understanding is that Condi Rice is a 2nd Amendment purist. I hope it is so.

When you're defending yourself and your family, you don't want some bozo's in DC or the state capitol telling you how many rounds you're allowed to have in your firearm ...

Regards from AZ
 
What a gal! Smart, good-looking, likes football and guns. Rice for VP in 2004! (Cheney will probably need to retire by then.)
 
I posted the original Condi Rice thread here on TFL back in August or so. In it I cited the George Will column where he quotes Rice as saying: "I am a Second Amendment absolutist." She then goes on to describe the reasons why (noted above).

Yesterday I called in on Tom Gresham's "Gun Talk" and asked him what he thought of Colin Powell (Gresham was wary). I mentioned the Baba Wawa interview where Powell supposedly said that he could not see a need for people to own handguns. Gresham recalled it. I then contrasted Powell with Rice and mentioned the George Will article. I figured Tom already knew about it, but he didn't.

My time was up on the show. Too bad. I wanted to mention that Powell is lobbying Dubya to place PA Gov. Tom Ridge in the Secretary of Defense slot...As we know, Ridge is not a buddy.

You can inform Tom Gresham of Condi's position by e-mailing him at tom@guntalk.com

Rick
 
Almost good enough for optimism

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Hope she stays the course.
 
So Cheney and Rice are very RKBA. Bush signed the TX CHL and stopped local lawsuits against companies.

Not a bad deal. Still think we should have voted third party.

Makes me want to RALPH - ha ah
 
I heard this AM, although I have been unable to confirm it, that Powell wanted Ridge, Cheney wanted some guy that worked for him while he was at DoD and G.W. vetoed them both. So, what's this story about G.W. not being in charge?

Cheney and Rice are definitely "walking in the light".
 
I have been...

...following her career since her days as Bush's Russian Advisor. Why is it that when the major parties try and put a woman on a national ticket, we wind up with a weathervane like Liz Dole, a token like Ferraro, or a parasitic hitchhiker on a husband's career like Hitlary Rodham and not someone with integrity and a spine like Ms. Rice?
 
"parasitic hitchhiker on a husband's career"

Tamara, I love that description.

In response to your question I can only offer an opinion, and one that's not all that educated at that. There are people of substance and knowledge, and there are people who can "work" other people, otherwise known as politicians. In any work environment, there's the person who knows the project six ways from Sunday, and the person who knows how to play the expert in order to advance his own career. It's probably been that way since three hairy guys tried to rub sticks together to make fire.

In Bill Clinton, I actually think we had a mix of intellect and absolute political genius. Of course, we also had the spawn of the Devil himself.

In Condoleeza Rice we have a woman of intellect and an enviable breadth of knowledge who probably doesn't want to engage in the sausage-making we call politics.

It would have been really interesting to have been a fly on the wall in Philadelphia in the late 1700's to see how many of our founders
were back-slappers and how many were really men of substance.

Dick
 
Hmmm. Vice President Rice? President Rice? Just trying them on for size.

Should Cheney drop out due to health concerns, she would be perfect.
 
The entire quote on RKBA in the Larry King interview

We need this woman for President!

From a transcript of Larry King live interview May 11, 2005
CNN transcript
Google cached version CNN transcript
(there is a lot more in the transcript -- about Korea, Middle East, etc.)

KING: We have a Second Amendment. People can own guns. By the way, what do you think about gun control?

RICE: The way I come out of my own personal experience, in which in Birmingham, Alabama, my father and his friends defended our community in 1962 and 1963 against White Knight Riders by going to the head of the community, the head of the cul-de-sac, and sitting there, armed. And so I'm very concerned about any abridgement of the Second Amendment.

I'll tell you that I know that if Bull Conner had had lists of -- of registered weapons, I don't think my father and his friends would have been sitting at the head of the community, defending the community.

KING: So you would not change the Second Amendment? You would not...

RICE: I also don't think we get to pick and choose from the Constitution. The Second Amendment is as important as the First Amendment.

KING: But doesn't having the guns, while it's protection, also leads to people killing people?

RICE: Well, obviously, the sources of violence are many, and we need to -- to get at the source of the violence. Obviously, I'm very much in favor of things like background checks, and you know, controlling it at gun shows. And there are lots of things we can do.

But we have to be very careful when we start abridging rights that our Founding Fathers thought very important. On this one, I think that they understood that there might be circumstances that people like my father experienced in Birmingham, Alabama, when in fact, the police weren't going to protect you.

KING: Did you see him take the gun?

RICE: Oh, absolutely. Every -- every night he and his -- he and his friends kind of organized a little brigade.
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BTW, I've finally learned to spell her name with two e's and two z's.
 
Now wait a minute...

I'm not really trying to stir the pot but, if you read the first paragraph of her second to last quote she says:

Obviously, I'm very much in favor of things like background checks, and you know, controlling it at gun shows. And there are lots of things we can do.
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Umm...I'm not wanting to be negative, but that is just as ambiguous as what some Democrats say. If Kerry said that instead of Ms. Rice...you folks would be up in arms!

If she runs, I would probably vote for her...I would just be leary of her political speaking also...

greg
 
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I have a feeling--just a feeling, mind you--that she has not given as much thought to gun issues as the majority of people who participate in this forum. She has other, more immediate concerns at the moment. However, given her past experiences, it seems her heart is at least in the right place. Compared to a lot of other national pols, that's a head start.

If she runs for prez, I'm sure the Brady Bunch and their kind will bring up the issue (ad nauseum). We'll find out more during the primaries. In the meantime, I'm cautiously optimistic. At least she's never said, "Can I get me a huntin' license here?" in an upper-class, Massachusetts accent.
 
Since she is so pro second rights....

What are her stances on the Fourth Amendment, searches without warrants and the taking of millions of Americans data without a warrant nor a court review? I guess we could say from this administrations activities she is not a Forth Amendment absolutist? No vote from me.
 
As Sec. of State, does she have a role in those issues? Has she spoken of them? I haven't heard her speak on them, but maybe she has. Or maybe she hasn't because she figures it's less important to voice her opinions on them in her current role than it is to support her boss. She also might feel that undercutting her boss on one issue might undercut the nation as a whole.

I don't know of anyone who agrees 100% with their boss, or with anyone else for that matter. Do you agree with everything your wife thinks, says, and does? If not, do you publicly air your disagreements, or do you do so in private? And what do you expect from her?

A united front is important for establishing stability and achieving goals; a fractured front is destructive of those things.
 
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Condi: The gold standard

She publicly describes herself as a 2nd Amendment absolutist.
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Dr. Rice is intelligent, educated, experienced, and "gets it" in regard to foreign policy, the WOT and the Second Amendment.

More importantly, all indications are that she is a woman of integrity, strength and character and is not a sell-out like so many in Washington.

America could do no better than to elect her President in 2008.
 
America could do no better than to elect her President in 2008.
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Well, I'm not quite at that level of support. However, we could do (and have done) a lot worse than Rice as prez and Allen as vice-prez. Consider, for example, Hillary and ... well, given Hillary's nature, she has no use for a V-P.
 
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