Spoofing an originating phone number isn't actually very difficult any longer. I won't go into the details, but there are third parties that provide leasable access to telephony systems for the purpose of running software applications that perform automated call handling. This aspect of their services is completely legitimate. But their programming interfaces often allow you to assign an originating phone number. And some of these parties don't bother to validate whether you actually own the number that you assign. This is how at least one of the Swatting incidents that I'm aware of was performed.
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interesting home defense story
- Thread starter microtech
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some one knocks on my door and dose not identify them selves im not opening the door.if for some reason they decide to come in on a locked door they will do so with a gun pointed at them.....don't care who it is.hell even perps get the knock and yell before the door comes in....i deserve the same and no less....but the gun will still be present,low ready,
mskdgunman
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SOP with our agency (and most that I know of) is for the Comm center to attempt to call back while the units are in route. If they haven't, once the officers arrive, they will probably ask for this to be done just in case the comm center forgot. Next step is to listen at the windows and doors and look/listen for anything that doesn't seen right. After this, then I'd knock on the door. I may not identify myself immediately but will as soon as someone inside acknowledges the knocking or I hear someone moving around.
I've had people refuse to open the door and have generally had the comm center call them and assure then that it IS the police at the door and to open it immediately.
911 hang up calls are more dangerous then you would think. In the days of pay phones, I was always taught to be extra cautious as a 911 call is a great way to lure someone in for an ambush. We won't even talk about cell phones which are next to useless for calling 911 (at least in FL) as there is no real way to track them in real time and know where the caller is. The cell phone companies are not all that cooperative and by the time a cell phone company is convinced to provide us with the information, it'll all be long over. If you have to call 911 on a cell phone, you had best know your location if you want the calvary to arrive
I've had people refuse to open the door and have generally had the comm center call them and assure then that it IS the police at the door and to open it immediately.
911 hang up calls are more dangerous then you would think. In the days of pay phones, I was always taught to be extra cautious as a 911 call is a great way to lure someone in for an ambush. We won't even talk about cell phones which are next to useless for calling 911 (at least in FL) as there is no real way to track them in real time and know where the caller is. The cell phone companies are not all that cooperative and by the time a cell phone company is convinced to provide us with the information, it'll all be long over. If you have to call 911 on a cell phone, you had best know your location if you want the calvary to arrive
Trashcan-man
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+1 mskdgunman
I've never had an officer get ambushed on a 911 hang up, but I have had them turn into shootings, stabbings, domestics, etc etc...I even had one turn out to be a barricaded subject. I was trained to treat them as a murder with the suspect on scene until I am told otherwise.
And yes cell phone companies are, for the most part, a GIANT pain in the butt. Most of them require you to fax a form to them explaining the request, they will then call you when it gets approved and will give you the owner info...the ones that can do GPS tracking take a LONG TIME...atleast 30 mins and it's not all that accurate...most of the time.
I've never had an officer get ambushed on a 911 hang up, but I have had them turn into shootings, stabbings, domestics, etc etc...I even had one turn out to be a barricaded subject. I was trained to treat them as a murder with the suspect on scene until I am told otherwise.
And yes cell phone companies are, for the most part, a GIANT pain in the butt. Most of them require you to fax a form to them explaining the request, they will then call you when it gets approved and will give you the owner info...the ones that can do GPS tracking take a LONG TIME...atleast 30 mins and it's not all that accurate...most of the time.
Wow, microtech, I had the exact same thing happen to me a few years ago.
I was living alone when there was a loud pounding on my door in the middle of the night. I looked at the clock and thought, "What is FedEx doing delivering at 2:30am?!?" Upset at the deliveryman I rolled over. It wasn't until I heard two men talking to each other outside my open first floor bedroom window that it dawned on me that it wasn't FedEx.
Luckily, they asked if there was anyone inside, I asked who it was and they identified themselves as police. I called the local PD and confirmed they were dispatched before answering the door.
The problem ended up being the same, that they received a call traced back to my apartment, although I had never activated the land line there.
It happened a second time two nights later before I called AT&T and had them disconnect the phone line altogether.
The most upsetting part to me was that the police were upset at me for twice having them brought out in the middle of the night and weren't at all interested in speaking with the AT&T rep to determine which address actually called 911 twice in the early morning hours.
Since then I've made sure that my wife and I have local PD entered into our cell phones. Way more responsive than 911 in my experience.
I was living alone when there was a loud pounding on my door in the middle of the night. I looked at the clock and thought, "What is FedEx doing delivering at 2:30am?!?" Upset at the deliveryman I rolled over. It wasn't until I heard two men talking to each other outside my open first floor bedroom window that it dawned on me that it wasn't FedEx.
Luckily, they asked if there was anyone inside, I asked who it was and they identified themselves as police. I called the local PD and confirmed they were dispatched before answering the door.
The problem ended up being the same, that they received a call traced back to my apartment, although I had never activated the land line there.
It happened a second time two nights later before I called AT&T and had them disconnect the phone line altogether.
The most upsetting part to me was that the police were upset at me for twice having them brought out in the middle of the night and weren't at all interested in speaking with the AT&T rep to determine which address actually called 911 twice in the early morning hours.
Since then I've made sure that my wife and I have local PD entered into our cell phones. Way more responsive than 911 in my experience.
Trashcan-man
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^^ in most states 911 and the local non emergency number go to the same place, same operators. Cell phones are actually not as good as a landline 911 call. aif you have a true emergency and call from a landline atleast we get your address, name and phone number, we don't even get an accurate location from cell phones most of the time.
serf 'rett
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In this situation I wouldn’t want to be on either side of the door. A real danger exists for lethal mistakes in this “false” 911 call scenario. It seems that a call back to the originating number should almost be mandatory.