Insight re Folkbabe's visit

As I recall folkbabe has been mugged at gunpoint. While I disagree with her convictions she seemed to me to be sincere. Also she is activly working to stop violence. So IMO she is putting her money where her mouth is.

I might also note that I have met at least a couple of survivors of assault (sexual & physical) that still have a very anti gun stance.

I guess one of the points I am trying to make is folkbabe is the type of person we need to sway to our side. I believe staying with rational debate is the best way to accomplish that. Making derogatory comments, including snide comments about age & innocence, accomplish nothing positive.
 
Years ago I knew a woman that barely escaped a rape attempt. After she came to terms with the trauma she opted to take her destiny into her own hands. Today she packs a P228. She refuses to be easy prey on the food chain. I've got little respect for people that have faced violence and instead of being realistic continue to exist in their fantasy world. Like my buddy says if her would be rapist had not had a gun he would've had a knife or something else.

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So many pistols, so little money.

[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited May 28, 2000).]
 
This woman is a danger to society. She needs to go away,far away!!!!

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!
 
I am Dennis.

We all have the right to our opinions. Period.

Only when those opinions result in hurt to another do we have the need to resist another's opinions.

Folkbabe did not come to TFL to discuss anything. She came here for research - to understand our position so she could be more effective in restricting our RKBA.

I don't believe she realizes her actions are true infringements. Although her motives may be good, her actions will be used by her, others like her, and those who would gradually enslave us.

Verbally abusing her strengthens her opinions of us and her resolve against our RKBA.

We need to be careful, folks. We can end up alienating a lot of people with our rhetoric. While the macho types "don't care", remember that every vote cast against us has the same power as every vote cast for us.

We don't need to win a great battle, only to lose the war.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Dennis,
I could not agree more. I suspect much of her conversation will appear, out of context of course, at any number of HIP meetings.
She came in with an agenda, and left with an agenda. I believe she was a bit surprised that we actually discuss guns here,(her words, not mine, taken from her post at MS) and not "who we gonna drag behind a pick-up this week." or "Hey Clem, when you beats yore wife, is one slap a'nuff?"
 
Dennis: "Folkbabe did not come to TFL to discuss anything. She came here for research - to understand our position so she could be more effective in restricting our RKBA."

You're right on. But she was never upfront about her purposes, which isn't very nice. She was here to use people's words against their interest. [puking smiley]

And you could tell from her posts that she considered the view that self-defense is never justified to be a matter of higher moral standards, to which she would "never" resort. [bull]

The best thing to do is get her a new hobby, like closing down circuses and rodeos.

[Just kidding. It's a joke.]

Ledbetter
 
I don't care how sincere people like her are.I would feel very sorry for them except for one thing,they will take our rights away from us.You can not change their minds with any logic or facts because they will not believe anything that goes against their beliefs.I have laid out facts and used logic on these people and I might just as well talk to the wall.I no longer discuss anything with the hardcore anti,I just holler at them as loud as the hollor at me.It gets me nowhere but its selfsatifieing.

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beemerb
We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world;
and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
every day who don't know anything and can't read.
-Mark Twain
 
As the usual voice of dissent here (Geez, why does it always have to be me?), I'm still going with the thought that Folkbabe's visit was a good thing. She is a pacifist. Fine. Great. Best of luck to her. As long as it doesn't affect me and my personal freedom, I'm ok with that. And for someone in the middle of the road, sometimes all it takes is learning. That's what it took for me. I used to wonder why the hell anyone would want an "assault rifle" myself. Bummer, but it's the truth. I've read all of her comments, both here and on the MS boards and haven't seen much to make me think she thought gun control was the answer to anything, althought she didn't discount it. Coming out blazing may change her mind. If I were in her shoes, I'd be concerned.

Okay, flame away, boys. I kind of enjoy this. This is one of the few places in the world I get the feeling people think I'm a liberal :)
 
"Folkbabe", whether she was naive or arrogant, simply has NO conception of our world's realities. The only question I could have asked of her was "What color is the sky in your little world?" This is a young lady who is in for a VERY rude awakening. Although her sense of idealism could be considered admirable, it will most likely be her downfall, if she doesn't wake up from her utopian dream soon.
Welcome to the wastelands, "Folkbabe".- Dakotan
 
---Staff mode off---
Boy, I guess this Board really is drifting away from me in my more frequent absences. Fact is, I don't much recognize TFL from this thread.

Wanna draw lines in the sand, guys? Easy thing to do. Simply open your gut and spew bile at anyone who has a different set of values. Doesn't make one interesting; doesn't make one intelligent; doesn't make one educated; and it doesn't make one win.

I thought we were here to engage, not to shout down. To become a mirror image of MS. is easy....just substitute far right for far left and all the pieces look the same. Personally, I'll go on record as saying that folkbabe showed greater restraint, articulation and presence than some of my own colleagues here.

I respect her right to be a victim. She indicated a respect for my right not to be a victim. Whether she was 100% sincere or not doesn't matter. She gave us something to work on....grounds for discussion and thought. Dismissing her as a fool underestimates her. Underestimating those with opposing political views is historically fatal.

Attacking those with opposing political views looses us 3 potential supporters for every online "attaboy". Class act.
---- Staff Mode On -----

Oy!
Carry on.
Rich Lucibella
 
Rich,
Respectfully:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I don't tend to think that there are any "inherent universal" rights above and beyond what society defines. We all have our own beliefs and have a responsibility to work for those beliefs but that doesn't make anything inherent.[/quote]-folkbabe
If you read the posts of this person, here and on the MS board,this pretty much sums up what the objective is of this person's(folkbabe) group.
Me, I agree with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independance (even if I can't spell 'em right ;)) The above belief is unreasonable at the least, and subversive at the most.

This person(folkbabe) came in with preconcieved ideas, and left with the same preconcieved ideas, then used it on another forum to prove a point. IMNSHO, the presence of this person in here was only to elevate status and acceptance on another board.

Let me also add, I will donate the proceeds from the sale of each gun I own to HCI, for even 1 woman that is "prepared to be raped" as folkbabe stated. The only condition I ask is that HCI furnish a gun to each woman that wants to "prepare to NOT be raped." That statement by this person(folkbabe) is not only immature, it is beyond absurd. It also has deadly consequences.


Does the term "counting coup" apply? I feel it does. There was no reasonable discourse in any of this person(folkbabe)'s discussion. Mostly opinion, and thinly covered attempt to steer discussion. Reasonable discourse and an open exchange of viewpoints is one thing. Propaganda is another matter entirely.

[This message has been edited by RAE (edited May 31, 2000).]
 
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