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rodwhaincamo
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You two should be ashamed of yourselves!
Next you'll say something like you used an outdated spherical projectile cloaked with a piece of grandma's old feather pillow!
Next you'll say something like you used an outdated spherical projectile cloaked with a piece of grandma's old feather pillow!
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Wow! Been gone a few years...return...and the same ole inline/traditional M/L jargon.
Glad to know that after better than 50yrs, clear back when the iron clad flinters used to throw rocks at the cap lock fellas(especially at some of the BP shooting clubs and events) that those cap lock fellas didn't pay any attention to the flinters and kept right on doing their thing and shooting those cap locks.
Then, BP substitutes came along and both the old flinters/cap lock shooters that would shoot nothing but real BP kinda put their flintlock/cap lock issues aside and teamed up against anyone shooting subs.
Now we have the dreaded inlines.... That are here to stay!
Isn't it funny how all that happens???
The old cigarette saying that says "smoke em if ya got em" needs to apply to m/l shooting as well...
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..." choot em if ya got em"!
Glad to know that after better than 50yrs, clear back when the iron clad flinters used to throw rocks at the cap lock fellas(especially at some of the BP shooting clubs and events) that those cap lock fellas didn't pay any attention to the flinters and kept right on doing their thing and shooting those cap locks.
Then, BP substitutes came along and both the old flinters/cap lock shooters that would shoot nothing but real BP kinda put their flintlock/cap lock issues aside and teamed up against anyone shooting subs.
Now we have the dreaded inlines.... That are here to stay!
Isn't it funny how all that happens???
The old cigarette saying that says "smoke em if ya got em" needs to apply to m/l shooting as well...
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..." choot em if ya got em"!
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Inlines will be here as long as hunting laws have a season they apply too. They are here for hunters like me. Someone who is looking to extend the season and put more meat in the freezer but not a traditionalist. Increasing the challenge or difficulty does not interest me only a legal and ethical kill. 1 permit = 1 kill the rest is personal preferance on how you enjoy the hunt.
I will be the first to admit that modern inlines and powders do not even resemble a traditional muzzleloader. My CVA Accura with BH209 powder is more accurate than a couple of off the shelf rifles i have owned. BH209 powder is about as clean as smokeless powder and i can use conventional cleaners and lubricants. I can shoot a 10+ shots without swabing the barrel, take it home and have it cleaned up quicker than my rifles. The only resemblance it has to a traditional muzzleloader is I only get one shot per load.
I will be the first to admit that modern inlines and powders do not even resemble a traditional muzzleloader. My CVA Accura with BH209 powder is more accurate than a couple of off the shelf rifles i have owned. BH209 powder is about as clean as smokeless powder and i can use conventional cleaners and lubricants. I can shoot a 10+ shots without swabing the barrel, take it home and have it cleaned up quicker than my rifles. The only resemblance it has to a traditional muzzleloader is I only get one shot per load.
Cheapshooter
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My state has done away with "muzzle loader" season. Now called alternative methods. Which includes center fire handguns. I use either my TC Contender in 35 Remington or 7-30 Waters. If I am on a more thickly wooded stand I might use my 10MM Glock G20.
Gotta love it, big middle finger up to all those who ruined muzzle loader season with bolt action, pellet loaded jacketed bullet firing scope mounted 200+ yard synthetic and stainless wonder guns.
Now, let's get back to a loose powder solid lead projectile, exposed ignition rifle with no optics for a "muzzle loader" season.
Same here but they call it primitive weapons. For the last 12 years or so a primitive weapon was a breech loading external hammer single shot with smokeless powder and a scope in any caliber .35 and up. H&R Handi Rifles in .35 Whelen and 45-70 reined supreme. Last year they changed it to the above for the first primitive season but for the last two it is weapon of choice. Meaning you can use your 30-30 or 30-06 bolt rifle or even your AR 15 with 30 round mags. The only thing you can't use is a handgun of any description.
If they didn't outlaw your choice of M/L firearm so you could not use it, how did anybody ruin your hunt? Can you legally still use loose powder(and I'm sure you meant real black powder), solid lead projectiles(most likely rd.balls) and exposed ignition(surely you meant a flintlock and not those new fangled cap locks)?
Just because we can use inlines in this state during muzzle loader season, doesn't mean I have to. And depending on my mood, very often I don't.
Just because we can use a shotgun or certain center fire rifles here during our gun season, doesn't mean I have to use either. Most likely I'll be using a M/L...or a handgun(revolver). Which are legal during our gun season as well. Heck, one buddy of mine uses a bow to hunt all our different deer seasons(which is legal her) cause that's what he likes to hunt with.
If you are still legal to use your choice of M/L but choose not to cause others are not using what you want them to use then the only one ruining your M/L season is you.
Hawg,
I understand completely! Been shooting B/P and deer hunting better than 50yrs. Long enough to remember when the same rocks that are being thrown at the inline shooters today were being thrown at the cap lock shooters by the diehard flinters. Long enough to remember when the b/p users threw rocks at those using sub. powders when they started coming out. Long enough to remember when the diehard recurve bow hunters threw rocks at the new fangled compound bow guys...and then came the crossbows and the rock throwing started all over.
And you know something...when you and I are long gone, this same kind of rock throwing will continue.
My point is that someone else can't ruin my shooting or hunt traditions. Nor can they ruin the meaning I have of something by (in this case) using a different weapon then I do. Only I can do that.
If I'm a diehard flinter or cap lock guy and truly believe that that is what should be used during M/l season, but the law changes allowing others to use inlines, pistols or whatever, I'm surely not gonna be using anything but my flinter or cap lock cause that's what I truly enjoy hunting with. Don't care if the next guy uses an AR if it's legal. I don't let others dictate what I use in the woods or dictate what a certain hunting season means to me.
Again, I understand completely the history and tradition of the fine art of true M/L'ing...and as the laws continue to change(which they will), as long as my flinters and cap lock stay legal to hunt with, you will never hear me say that someone else has ruined my hunt for me by them being able to use a different weapon. What they use has absolutely no bearing or meaning to me as far as my personal traditions go and will surely not dictate me changing what I use to hunt with. I will still get my traditionalist 'fix' regardless.
I understand completely! Been shooting B/P and deer hunting better than 50yrs. Long enough to remember when the same rocks that are being thrown at the inline shooters today were being thrown at the cap lock shooters by the diehard flinters. Long enough to remember when the b/p users threw rocks at those using sub. powders when they started coming out. Long enough to remember when the diehard recurve bow hunters threw rocks at the new fangled compound bow guys...and then came the crossbows and the rock throwing started all over.
And you know something...when you and I are long gone, this same kind of rock throwing will continue.
My point is that someone else can't ruin my shooting or hunt traditions. Nor can they ruin the meaning I have of something by (in this case) using a different weapon then I do. Only I can do that.
If I'm a diehard flinter or cap lock guy and truly believe that that is what should be used during M/l season, but the law changes allowing others to use inlines, pistols or whatever, I'm surely not gonna be using anything but my flinter or cap lock cause that's what I truly enjoy hunting with. Don't care if the next guy uses an AR if it's legal. I don't let others dictate what I use in the woods or dictate what a certain hunting season means to me.
Again, I understand completely the history and tradition of the fine art of true M/L'ing...and as the laws continue to change(which they will), as long as my flinters and cap lock stay legal to hunt with, you will never hear me say that someone else has ruined my hunt for me by them being able to use a different weapon. What they use has absolutely no bearing or meaning to me as far as my personal traditions go and will surely not dictate me changing what I use to hunt with. I will still get my traditionalist 'fix' regardless.
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