Indy Paper to Print CCW List

I received the same responce:
Thanks for your message. We do not want to do anything that would put people in jeopardy. We would, for example, consider handgun permits by zipcode without identifying address. We have several options we can consider.

Dennis
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To which I responded:
Thanks for your responce.
Why do you find it necessary to print this info in the first place.
The only people I can see that would benefit from such information would be those that wish to commit crimes.
If you print addresses, they know which homes to either avoid or target.
If you print zip codes, they know which areas to avoid or target.
So what is your purpose in pursuing this?
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That was this morning.

Well I guess that means that when you get a CCW permit you also need to make sure your address isn't listed in the phone book. (Or get a PO Box
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Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem to find the desire to keep such information under wraps amusing.
I, for one, do not wish the fact that I own, carry and store weapons to be no more difficult to obtain than stumbling upon it in a local paper.
And your cavalier attitude about such info being printed in the paper baffles me.:confused:
Granted, the info is a matter of public record(Where does one get this info?), but at least the interested party needs to be proactive in obtaining it.
 
(Where does one get this info?
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You go to the courthouse and ask for it. It's public info and the paper has every right to print it for whatever nefarious reason they may have. I don't agree with it, but we brought it on ourselves by allowing the Freedom of Information Act to become law in the first place. It sounded like such a good idea at the time, not allowing the government to keep secrets from the general public.
Just another example of 'Be careful what you ask for, there may be consequences you didn't bargin for'.
And as I said in an earlier post, we are paying for the FOIA. Unless we can get that changed, we need to figure out how to live with it. Hiding one's address is one way.
Nothing 'cavalier' about my attitude at all, just trying to be realistic.
 
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Thanks.
You just seem to minimize/dismiss the feelings of others here about not wanting this info in the local paper, that's all.
They are free to do it, but it reeks of an agenda.
 
You just seem to minimize/dismiss the feelings of others
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I apologize if I sounded callous and uncaring, but feelings and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. If we won’t or can’t do something about it, we need to learn to live with it.
I tend to feel this way about a great number of the complaints being posted on the boards. People are continually crying about one thing or another and want someone else to do something about it.
I’ve kind of reached the point of –put up or shut up- in my attitude.
Maybe I need to step away from L and P for awhile. :mad:
 
This is from his column this Sunday, one week after the first article was published.
Last week I opened the door wide with my mention of our new initiative to post a wide range of databases on IndyStar.com.
I said we would be allowing you to see real estate databases (property transactions). I mentioned health-care information and crime data. I also mentioned a database on concealed-weapons (in this state, handgun) permits.
The last was less than popular with gun owners.
Some responded with expletives and rather interesting descriptions of me. The majority offered well-reasoned concerns about their own safety, pointing out that criminals seeking to obtain weapons may "go where the guns are."
Tuesday night the issue was discussed at a meeting of our reader advisory council.
One of our goals in presenting the news is to minimize harm. We constantly balance the value of information to the public vs. any damage that information may cause.
Advisory council members and I agree that we should not do anything just to satisfy some prurient interest, that what we present should offer a clear benefit to the public, and that we need to balance privacy concerns with the public good.
In some cases the proper balance may be to provide useful information without using names and specific addresses, for example.
We'll keep these things in mind as we consider what databases to publish, and how.
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Looks like if we collectively make enough noise, someone will at least attempt to listen.
 
I believe a paper in South Dakota published such a database. I'm not advocating this of course, but upset subcribers published the editors public information such as email, work phone number, home phone number, home address, directions to his home, his wife's information, academic information and a google earth image of his home. All of it was of course public information.
 
what we present should offer a clear benefit to the public
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I just wish someone could explain to me exactly what "the clear benefit to the public" would be that would occur by publishing this information.
 
Is there a way to publish the personal addresses and other information of the editors and staff in their own paper? Say, purchase a full page ad?

You could then check to see if the have a CCW, and if they don't, you could put that in the ad and say that they have no means of defending themselves from any robbery or home invasion :D
 
Flip it to your advantage.
Repost the list as a public service message with a warning to thieves and burglers that any attempt at the above addresses could cost them thier lives. They would be much safer targeting houses that were not on the list.
It's been documented many times the biggest fear of a burgler is an armed homeowner. This should cause an outcry from the other side once they realize the green light has been given for any house not on the list.

kenny b
 
Flip it to your advantage.
Repost the list as a public service message with a warning to thieves and burglers that any attempt at the above addresses could cost them thier lives. They would be much safer targeting houses that were not on the list.
It's been documented many times the biggest fear of a burgler is an armed homeowner. This should cause an outcry from the other side once they realize the green light has been given for any house not on the list.
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Thats a pretty solid idea. Never really thought of it that way. Still, the editors "public info" should definantly be made "public" if such a list is ever printed.
 
A paper in Florida published such a list. This resulted in a State law being made that prohibits publishing such lists.
 
Here's what West Virginia is doing about this crap:

H.B. 2223

Restricting public access to concealed handgun license records.
This bill would protect the privacy of concealed handgun licensees by exempting the public disclosure of the names, addresses, or other personally-identifying information of CHL holders from the Freedom of Information Act (Chapter 29B, W.Va. Code). West Virginia is currently one of few right-to-carry states in which this information is a public record.
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It's past the House and in the Senate Judiciary now.
 
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