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Call out the National Guard to enforce gun control laws???

Not only does that fellow not understand the law, but he's also apparently missed attending "Tyranny 101".

Experience tyrants know that one does NOT attempt to suppress local disobedience with local troops!

What do you think will happen if you tell the Guardsmen that now they have to arrest Uncle Joe and Aunt Sarah and maybe Granny and even themselves??

Despite what some people think, our troops are not all unthinking uncaring robots who will blindly carry out any and all orders. And particularly against people they know and are related to, when the legality of those orders is suspect to begin with??

Sure, a few will do what ever they are told. And, a few will flatly refuse. And, beyond that, the administration giving those orders is going to see as much "malicious compliance" as humanly possible.

I'd bet you'd see a lot of "yessir, yessir, three bags full, sir" in response to the order, but "well, sir, seems like when we got there, there was no one there, sir..."
when it comes to carrying them out...

And that's only the tip of the possible iceberg.
 
44 AMP said:
Despite what some people think, our troops are not all unthinking uncaring robots who will blindly carry out any and all orders. And particularly against people they know and are related to, when the legality of those orders is suspect to begin with??

Sure, a few will do what ever they are told. And, a few will flatly refuse. And, beyond that, the administration giving those orders is going to see as much "malicious compliance" as humanly possible.
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All we need do is look at recent history -- hurricane Katrina (I think that was the one) in New Orleans. They didn't bring in the Louisiana National Guard. The people taking away people's guns were California Highway Patrol (Yes, CHiPs), NG from several states, and U.S. marshals.
 
That they obtained a Democratic majority in a mid term election where the Democratic base is exceptionally worked up because a republican president they don’t like much is in office is not grounds for the far left to leap for joy.
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NOT the point..30 DEM candidates ran un opposed in VA. I'll say again, the only 'poll' that means anything is the one from the ballot box. We'll see in 2020 if 75 out of 95 counties can come together to actually have candidates run..calling out the guy in the big chair is not important, as seen in the 'potential' laws coming down the pike in VA. BUT, again, that guy isn't necessarily a 'friend' to those who advocate gun rights. (RFL, UBC, 21 YO buy, bump stock ban, AR ban)...

BUT, yes, people are unhappy.....

It's not like this is any surprise to anybody or it shouldn't be..
 
Here are some interesting numbers to consider. Va has a population of about 8.2 million. The population of the counties defying those in Richmond is about 5 million. Considering that most of the counties are rural, and that the rural population is very well armed,say conservatively, 70%, that puts the number at around around 3.5 million. Of those in the mostly urban areas not aligning themselves with the sanctuary movement there are still a substantial number who still support it. Let us say around 30%, which I think would be close. That would be another 900,000. The threat of calling out the NG has been broached. The Va NG numbers around 7500 people, over half of which are support troops. Let's put the effective number at 3800. State Police has just a little under 2200 officers statewide. Here in the state emotions are, to put it mildly, elevated. The people are in a very foul mood. There is absolutely no appetite whatsoever to accept the registration proposed by the Northam/Bloomberg crowd. Things could go south very quickly. I spoke to a republican delegate this morning for quite some time and I asked him how determined the democrats were about pushing the proposed new laws through. He replied "very". If things were to go south in a very bad way, I do no think the state will have any true power to resist the citizenry. Let us say that 80% of the guard and police attempt to enforce the law. That would be around 4800 give or take. Let us say that 10% of the citizenry resisted. That number would be around 420,000. Those are not very good odds. One thing the delegate and I agreed upon was the inability of those in Richmond to comprehend the resolution of the people. I think they believe we will simply cave in as all good servants should do. Some counties are calling out the militia, one going so far as to appropriate money for it. Talking to the delegates on the other side is like talking to a brick wall. I surely hope cooler heads will come to the forefront in Richmond this Jan., but, I have my doubts.
 
ronl I don’t for a second doubt your numbers... other than I don’t believe for a second that 80% of the NG would participate in enforcing the law. I digress, for your scenario let us assume it so. What I do believe, however, is that some of the stomach to enforce this weakens.

As it stands, they don’t have to go door to door. All they have to do is charge folks accordingly when they are caught violating the law by LEOs who are willing to enforce the law. I say that will be a relatively slim percentage of law enforcement in much of the state.

Conversely where I do see this potentially getting ugly is if some proactive law enforcement decide to go to the local range and enforce the law there as folks come to shoot their now prohibited firearms.
 
Va has a population of about 8.2 million. The population of the counties defying those in Richmond is about 5 million.
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Gonna beat this dead horse again...WHERE were these 5 million people on election day??
Is the Virginia GOP 'machine' that clueless, out of touch!!
 
USNRet93 said:
Gonna beat this dead horse again...WHERE were these 5 million people on election day??
Is the Virginia GOP 'machine' that clueless, out of touch!!
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Many of us voted but we were throughout the lower population area of the state. Our representative might represent several counties and they won with around 90% of the votes but in highly populated Northern Virginia, each county had several representatives each. Bloomberg spent 2.5 million dollars in the last week or so before the election and he brainwashed the liberals into voting for gun control. The rest if the state didn't hear any Bloomberg sponsored ads.
 
osbornk said:
Many of us voted but we were throughout the lower population area of the state. Our representative might represent several counties and they won with around 90% of the votes but in highly populated Northern Virginia, each county had several representatives each. Bloomberg spent 2.5 million dollars in the last week or so before the election and he brainwashed the liberals into voting for gun control. The rest if the state didn't hear any Bloomberg sponsored ads.
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Not to mention that even if Republicans went to vote, if the Democrat on the ballot was running unopposed there wasn't really anything the Rs could do.
 
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