The Va 2A sanctuary movement is one of the most interesting and successful to pop up in a while. For the most part it has been a totally grassroots movement,and the turnout at meetings has overflowed the buildings in which they were held. In about 5 weeks the number of localities includes 75 counties, 10 cities, and9 towns. More will be coming on board next week. Va only has 95 counties total.
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Thanks for the update. Info from the media is spotty, at best, and is often rather inaccurate. In Louisa one tv report said 500 people. There were 647 people inside that had signed up in addition to a large crowd outside who were unable to get inside, certainly more than 700. This movement should be front page news as the time frame in which this has happened is only a little over a month now, and over 75% of the counties are represented, with more certainly to come. This situation represents clearly the divide between the rural areas and those of the Richmond/ nova who are in control. My concern is the mood of the people, as it is rather surly. One delegate from the Richmond area has already broached the subject of calling out the NG to enforce the new laws. If such a thing happens, people will die. How far the government will ultimately take this remains to be seen, but things around here could get dicey very quickly.
I also should add that Northam has said he will modify the bill to grandfather existing firearms, providing they be registered. He is trying to appear as though he is compromising, when that was the intention all along, something I said would happen from the start. The people are having none of that. In addition, in my county the militia is being called out, and I have heard of several counties locally doing this. The people are tired of the junk. 244 years since the shot heard round the world, and here we are again.'
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Does Virginia have a militia or militias, officially? What is their legal status, and who is calling them out?ronl said:
In my state, there is (technically) a militia, but it functions under the umbrella of the National Guard. It's like the junior varsity NG -- if the NG is federalized and deployed to far away locations, the militia will be here to step up and perform [some of] the essential NG functions in case of emergency or natural disaster. The militia in my state cannot be called out (up?) by anyone other than the governor, or the President if they are federalized..
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Here in va the militia is defined as the body of the people. There are three types of militia enumerated in va, the NG, the state militia, and the disorganized militia. It is mandated by law that the militia is to be well trained. Guess the disorganized militia is going to be getting a little more organized, that is if I am reading my fellow Virginians correctly. Any call for bringing in the NG to enforce such laws is absurd and irresponsible. It will only make a touchy situation even worse. Our constitution grants all power to the people and defines those in state government as servants of the people. Guess Northam is choosing to represent only he northern, Richmond and Charlottesville people. He is simply ignoring the other 90% of the state. The petition to recall Northam is gathering steam.
It is interesting that those proposing the new laws will admit the new laws would have had zero effect on the two mass shootings that occurred within the Commonwealth. I am working with delegates I know to propose something that may well help. My proposal is to place more mental health professionals within schools, teach the teachers what to look for, and get these troubled children the help they need. This gets to the heart of the problem, and it doesn't take away the rights of law abiding citizens.
It is mostly a grassroots thing and here are a couple that are working to protect us:
https://keepva2a.com/
https://vcdl.org/
https://keepva2a.com/
https://vcdl.org/
So VA officials may be disappointed to realize that the overwhelming vast majority of National Guard soldiers who are combat arms would not be very sympathetic to a gun confiscation cause. Yes I get following orders, but it would be quite easy to argue that unconstitutionally confiscating firearms is not a lawful order. Invoking the NG is not the threat that it’s being made out to be. I could see some units forming a defensive line protecting private citizens. No that is the last thing they want to do and they know it.
What VA is really doing now is ensuring that the state turns from blueish purple back to a bright red. Don’t ever forget that the political pendulum swings rather reliably and quickly when one side tries to push too hard/far.
Sorry, the only true 'poll' is the one at the ballot box. 'Majority rules' and altho I appreciate what you are saying, once again, too little, too late n Virginia, IMHO.
Really doubt any governor is going to call out the NG just to 'enforce a law', particularly when nobody has been charged.
Units becoming mutineers? Really doubt that..IMHO, of course. Calls for civil war really does nothing more than rile up the other side's base.
Agree..BUT the 'outrage' must be present in 2020, and actual GOP candidates need to run competitively.
I do as well, but the idea has already been floated by Democratic Lawmaker Donald Mceachin. And it is not in response to citizens not being charged, it would be in response to the 75 out of 95 counties in VA that have pledged to be 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries. Good representative said, and I quote....
So no one here is speculating the calls for involving the organized militia. Democratic lawmakers in Virginia have, in fact, made such calls. Now, conversely, I do not for a second believe that would actually happen.
No one is calling for civil war. As to an Infantry Battalion, composed of citizens of Virginia, being called upon to enforce an Assault Weapons Ban (one of the very laws on the table) upon other citizens of Virginia; I don't see that going over well. Especially when over 50% of those infantrymen, tankers, artillerymen, and MPs all privately own the weapons at question themselves. And that's also why this should never happen. The state Commander of the National Guard, appointed by the Governor, would probably be duty bound to notify the governor that calling up the National Guard for that would be a horrible idea. The governor, in turn, would agree if he had half a brain.
Story from a long-standing media outlet to support 75 counties and a lawmaker has indicated calling up the VANG is on the table:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control
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Not absolutely, not in a Republic my friend.
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I too think the NG mention was to deter participation in the 2A movement, and really holds no water. The mention of it has made people even more determined to resist. There is even some talk of Northam working out the details needed to cut power, phone service, etc., if the NG is called out. I think that one is complete bunk, but the truth will come out. I cannot credit Northam with being overly intelligent, but I do not think he is that ignorant of the resolve of the people.
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Majority elects the law makers, the law makers make the laws. It becomes a law if the majority of the law makers vote for it and is signed into law by the governor, who was ejected by a majority. Or vetoed, then back to the legislature where it would either pass with a ‘super majority’ or fail....
Soldiers, including National Guardsmen take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Soldiers tend to read the Constitution our Founding Fathers wrote and understand the plain language unencumbered by the 3000 plus page document the modern constitution has bloated too in its legal interpretation.
They tend to view that legal interpretation document with a suspicious eye. In the 1990’s the Clinton Administration surveyed SOCOM as to the likelihood an order to confiscate firearms would be followed. At that time the overwhelming response was it would not be and such an order would be viewed as attempting to alter our Constitution unlawfully.
Soldiers have a duty not to obey unlawful orders.
It seems the VA general assembly is applying a bit of pressure on their State Police as well.
They are introducing a bill that terminates the employment of any State Officers that might refuse to participate in firearms confiscation.
A link to the bill :https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67&fbclid=IwAR1OAzmYKW6hRF8FnFu-GyPVkSKBHN4y8AY0MA8yOHCiiRR2YTUrlUpngBU
Somehow I don't think this is going to have the net result they intend.
ETA: Either way, it seems they realize there is going to be dissension within the LE community and, I'm sure, the NG as well. At least the LE officers can now see where the line in the sand is.
They are introducing a bill that terminates the employment of any State Officers that might refuse to participate in firearms confiscation.
A link to the bill :https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67&fbclid=IwAR1OAzmYKW6hRF8FnFu-GyPVkSKBHN4y8AY0MA8yOHCiiRR2YTUrlUpngBU
Somehow I don't think this is going to have the net result they intend.
ETA: Either way, it seems they realize there is going to be dissension within the LE community and, I'm sure, the NG as well. At least the LE officers can now see where the line in the sand is.
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I know how it works
And the simple majority of sheer number of people, typically represented by the House of Representatives whose members are based on state population, is counterbalanced by majority of states in the senate... absent any calculus based on population. It was designed this way by the US constitution for a reason.
But we’re talking about the state of VA. That they obtained a Democratic majority in a mid term election where the Democratic base is exceptionally worked up because a republican president they don’t like much is in office is not grounds for the far left to leap for joy. It is common knowledge that midterm elections quite often do not go well for the party currently in power. As I recall republicans won far more victories in the mid term of 2010, but it wasn’t as reported upon then because the media had a crush on President Obama.
VA hasn’t suddenly turned far left as evidenced by 75 out 95 counties now declaring themselves 2A sanctuaries. Maybe not as conservative as it once was, but certainly not far left enough to tolerate draconian gun laws. Let’s hope those counties remember this lesson and never stay at home on a midterm election again...
Lol like that would ever happen. But it may happen next time.
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