Immigration raid in Mass.

If one parent is a legal immigrant it will make it that much easier to attain citizenship which then makes it much easier to get the other parent legally immigrated and starting the citizenship process. I don't know why they haven't figured that out?
 
So there seems to be a case to be made that birthright citizenship to children of non-immigrants is based on a big misconstruction of the Constitution and law.
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What?:eek: Interpret the constitution? Wow I thoight it wwas all just so plain and specific that that isnt necessary...

O wait, I see, only need interpretation where your personal ox is being gored huh?:D

Wildwhatpartof____dontyouunderstandAlaska
 
One aspect of interpretation is "original intent," and it would certainly seem that the people who drafted and enacted the 14th Amendment didn't intend for it to confer citizenship upon children of foreigners.
 
Keep cracking down on illegal employers to fix the situation. The number of anchor babies is too small a portion of the total to focus on.

Yes, enforce the law against hiring illegal persons. Yes, fix Social Security to make fraud much harder, so companies have no excuse. That also fixes welfare fraud, too. Make buying and renting cars fall under this, too... You get pulled over, you are caught. Much cheaper then "sweeping" for 11 million illegals.
 
One aspect of interpretation is "original intent," and it would certainly seem that the people who drafted and enacted the 14th Amendment didn't intend for it to confer citizenship upon children of foreigners.
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A yes the old "original intent" argument...

OK prove your point....give me the original intent then

WildsowecaninterperetthatAlaska
 
SecDef: You hit it right on the head and those are all valid parts of the solution; add in extensive measures to keep illegals from returning without, infringing on the rights of legal citizens and it would be a fairly comprhensive package.

But finding the solutions is the easy part, its having the will to effectively implement them that seems to present the most challenge.
 
Tough

They should of thought of that BEFORE they came here. Send those kids down here to Texas, our Youth Commission knows what to do with them. [HaHa] Mexico should be billed for the care and keeping of them. From the orphanage to the Military service. I'd say by now we have cut our debts to Mexico to zero with all the money we are having to spend on their prodigies. Try this stuff in Mexico and see what they do. GO ICE!
 
But finding the solutions is the easy part, its having the will to effectively implement them that seems to present the most challenge.
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Those solutions shouldn't be too hard.. it doesn't even target anyone. Who would fight against making sure SS IDs are properly implemented?
 
This Is Incredible !!

BOSTON (AP) - The head of Massachusetts' social services on Monday called for the release of 20 factory workers arrested in an immigration raid, saying many have children with no one else to care for them.

They were among the 361 people taken in to custody following the raid March 6 at a Michael Bianco Inc. factory that makes equipment and apparel for the U.S. military.

Many of the suspected illegal immigrants were shipped to detention centers in Texas before a federal judge ordered the rest to remain in Massachusetts because advocates said the raid created a "humanitarian crisis."

Commissioner Harry Spence was among three-dozen state Department of Social Services workers who traveled to Texas during the weekend to interview more than 200 detainees.

Spence said the detainees he wants released have children ages 2 to 16, and a few of the children had medical conditions that required special care, including one child that required a feeding tube. All were believed to be born in the United States and therefore are U.S. citizens.

Along with the mothers being held, Spence said the group of 20 included a woman suffering from cancer and a 17-year-old boy.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Marc Raimondi said the agency would review the requests.

He said federal authorities already had released at least 60 suspected illegal immigrants, mostly because they needed to care for their children.
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The "Anchor Babies" trump Federal law:barf:
 
the raid created a "humanitarian crisis
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The so called immigrants caused the problem by purposely being here.

He said federal authorities already had released at least 60 suspected illegal immigrants
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They, "the federal authorities" should be fired.

Like I said before " no sympathy" I'd give em no leeway.
 
FTA: The state Department of Social Services was working Wednesday to make sure the children receive proper care.
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rem33:The so called immigrants caused the problem by purposely being here.
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rem33:Like I said before " no sympathy" I'd give em no leeway.
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I think the only reason certain of the illegals involved in the raid were sent back to their kids was that it overwhelmed the DSS.

No matter what, the kids are going to have to be taken care of.. at some point you need to balance the burden on DSS (and who is going to pay for it) versus the infraction of an illegal alien (and the financial burden on the US that entails)
Strictly on that rationale, it can make sense in certain situations to give em leeway.

At least they had jobs and weren't completely abusing the system!
 
I think the only reason certain of the illegals involved in the raid were sent back to their kids was that it overwhelmed the DSS.
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I am not completely heartless especially toward children and would not leave them to the streets so to say. That said why couldn't the DSS allow the adults to call the kids arrange to have them also picked up reunited with the parents and then all deported.

The line needs to be drawn somewhere or what we have now will only get worse, and it's already out of control.
 
interesting, looking at the social aspects, there may be a high correlation to the possible people available to help the kids and the coworkers of said kids parents that were also picked up.
 
Whether we like it or not

When kids are going to be involved, specially if they will be left to roam the
US streets, a pragmatic approach should be done, thus let the parents go.
Although, the workers are illegal, they are still working and paying taxes
indirectly when they buy something. Another touching issue is when the
kids were "born" here. They are technically US citizen- unless it changes.
These kids born here, do have all the rights and privileges that we all have.
When they grow up, a reasonably good number of them join the military.
 
I feel bad for the kids but these people knew what they were doing when they did it.

the employers knew as well and even provided a resource to get fake ids and therefor contributed to the problem as a whole.They should go to prison where they can rethink how they exploited and abused the trust of people here who have to pay for the whole mess and clean up after it.The illegals should also be fingerprinted and sent back to their country of origin along with their family if the kids have nowhere else to go.


I imagine somewhere up the political chain, they'll wash their hands of it and rattle a few sabres but thats it.
 
If the parents can't get a job, if they can't get free medical care, if the kids can't go to school, THEN THEY WILL GO HOME VOLUNTARILY! Let's enforce the laws against hiring them. Make them pay for medical care like we all have to, and verify the children's immigration status before enrolling them in school! It's not hard to show a US birth cert if they were born here.
 
Obi, I think thats too much common sense for the bleeding hearts to comprehend.

IMO, one aspect being overlooked is that, even if these children were taken into custody by D.C.S and held until they could be reunited with their family in their own country, it wouldn't be so bad. Its not like they would be placed in a gulag.

Any unpleasantries happening to these children is the sole responsibility of the parents. They should have given more thought to the risks involved before they came here.

Risk vs. reward. Is it worth it?

I would assume every competant parent wants whats best for their children and to have opportunities to succeeed in life. I have no qualms with that. The issue is that its done illegally, and as such is an inherently harmful decision.

I wouldn't place my child in a situation where such harm is possible for the potential of material gain.
 
Section. 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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pretty easy to understand just like the Second Amendment...:eek:
 
So whatda ya do with a 12 year old (any minor) who doesn't want to move to another country if his/her parents are moving there?
Tell em they can just stay here?
Nope you say " your folks are leaving so till your of age you go too".
 
thats too much common sense for the bleeding hearts to comprehend.
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The laws are on the books. It is the job of the executive to enforce them. Bush might not be able to comprehend things, but calling him a bleeding heart is just weird ;)
 
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