the immigration and economics are just preparations for this:
http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp
http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp
Immigration Impact on America
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Marko Kloos
No? I have; one example is "mandatory auto insurance". Do I have a choice? No, the government in this case says "you must pay them for their services or you may not use that piece of private property called an automobile on a public highway". If I have no claims do I get my money back? No, the insurance company is a corporate enterprize who do not have to give me anything unless I make a claim that is accepted under the contract and conditions I must sign with them. Corporate-government socialism with criminal penalties for non-compliance - or your liberties are restricted.
And while we are on the subject of checks - or rather money - the monetary system installed in this country during the earlier part of the 20th century is perhaps the first, if not the most significant, corporate-government in this country serving a commercial enterprize, who profit from the use of our own national currency. Must I use their "money"? Do I have a choice? No. Do I pay for it? Yes, through taxation; for their services and their interest rates on the money they print for us.
Very cozy arrangement.
I do not mind paying taxes at all; providing they are for the operation of the mandated and restricted government consistant with the U. S. Constitution.
Force is a necessary element of government; specifically over what private matters a government can exercize force to compell is another matter, and varies with the government in question. Ours is supposed to be limited consistant with our concept of personal and private liberty, ownership of property and prosperity.
I do not gauge the ability of corporations to rule by the threat of death alone. If a private corporation is making a profit from anything I am legally obliged to take part in, otherwise being restricted, they do rule to a degree. Corporate-government.
But while they can not (yet) kill you with one lethal injection, one electric shock etc, a corporate entity that is deemed "competent medical authority" can for example; deem that you be locked up, forced to ingest "medication", etc. It is only a matter of time before they can also pull your plug if they decide that "your lights are on - but no one is home".
If you happen to wind up in certain detention facilities or prisons, all aspects of your life might well in many cases be under the direct control of the employees of a commercial corporation. This is just one example of the so-called "public-private partnership", and it is not difficult to cite others.
What is coming down the road is not hard to see either.
No? I have; one example is "mandatory auto insurance". Do I have a choice? No, the government in this case says "you must pay them for their services or you may not use that piece of private property called an automobile on a public highway". If I have no claims do I get my money back? No, the insurance company is a corporate enterprize who do not have to give me anything unless I make a claim that is accepted under the contract and conditions I must sign with them. Corporate-government socialism with criminal penalties for non-compliance - or your liberties are restricted.
And while we are on the subject of checks - or rather money - the monetary system installed in this country during the earlier part of the 20th century is perhaps the first, if not the most significant, corporate-government in this country serving a commercial enterprize, who profit from the use of our own national currency. Must I use their "money"? Do I have a choice? No. Do I pay for it? Yes, through taxation; for their services and their interest rates on the money they print for us.
Very cozy arrangement.
I do not mind paying taxes at all; providing they are for the operation of the mandated and restricted government consistant with the U. S. Constitution.
Force is a necessary element of government; specifically over what private matters a government can exercize force to compell is another matter, and varies with the government in question. Ours is supposed to be limited consistant with our concept of personal and private liberty, ownership of property and prosperity.
I do not gauge the ability of corporations to rule by the threat of death alone. If a private corporation is making a profit from anything I am legally obliged to take part in, otherwise being restricted, they do rule to a degree. Corporate-government.
But while they can not (yet) kill you with one lethal injection, one electric shock etc, a corporate entity that is deemed "competent medical authority" can for example; deem that you be locked up, forced to ingest "medication", etc. It is only a matter of time before they can also pull your plug if they decide that "your lights are on - but no one is home".
If you happen to wind up in certain detention facilities or prisons, all aspects of your life might well in many cases be under the direct control of the employees of a commercial corporation. This is just one example of the so-called "public-private partnership", and it is not difficult to cite others.
What is coming down the road is not hard to see either.
A deterioration to labeling and name calling which in this case is grossly inaccurate and presumptuous since I stand far right of center albeit in a fiscally conservative camp.
It is regretable that the deregulation proponents have not learned the lessons taught by the Great Depression namely that the financial markets cannot be left to themselves without some modicum of government oversight.
The support of unrestricted trade and outsourcing practices is analogous to advocating the removal of the Securities and Exchange Commission. A prospect certain to elicit support from the "greed is good" community but equally certain to bring financial ruin to the rest of us.
bergwerk,
Far from "name calling", my descriptor of your position as "Populist" is quite technically accurate. That the above quote followed your self-description as "far right" is instructive in and of itself, as you are about as "Far Right" as William Jennings Bryan and, as a matter of fact, espouse (rather vocally) many of the same precepts.
Have you come up with that plan to put the hurt on I.N.C.'s Baby Diaper division without raising the cost of diapers or slashing payroll yet? I'm still interested in hearing your plans for "Corporate Taxes" that bypass all those gritty realities...
Okay.
Oh, wait... You said that like it's a bad thing.
bergwerk said:
Far from "name calling", my descriptor of your position as "Populist" is quite technically accurate. That the above quote followed your self-description as "far right" is instructive in and of itself, as you are about as "Far Right" as William Jennings Bryan and, as a matter of fact, espouse (rather vocally) many of the same precepts.
Have you come up with that plan to put the hurt on I.N.C.'s Baby Diaper division without raising the cost of diapers or slashing payroll yet? I'm still interested in hearing your plans for "Corporate Taxes" that bypass all those gritty realities...
Okay.
Oh, wait... You said that like it's a bad thing.
Here is an article from USA Today relevant to the topic.
Lou Dobbs Fires Away Against Outsourcing
Lou Dobbs has been taking a stand against outsourcing, and against our open door policy for illlegal aliens (yes, it is an open door policy). Thus he is called a demogogue, anti-immigrant, etc.
I only wish there were more like him.
Lou Dobbs Fires Away Against Outsourcing
Lou Dobbs has been taking a stand against outsourcing, and against our open door policy for illlegal aliens (yes, it is an open door policy). Thus he is called a demogogue, anti-immigrant, etc.
I only wish there were more like him.
Immigration and business
We all know know business is going to make money one way or another BUT. do we have to give them an incentive to move by also giving them a tax cut for moving the small motors division of GE out of the country by virtue of an "export allowance" for the machinery they moved out of the country?
We all know of the closure of hospitals and ESL classes adding to the cost of schools but how about the electricity used by illegals in Los Angeles and the brownouts that might be avoided if they weren't there. How about the extra gasoline they use adding to our burgeoning energy depenence. Mexico gets the best of that deal too. Get rid of people and sell more of their oil surplus to the U.S. making more money. Of course it only amounts to the population of Los Angeles spread out over the entire country but I still feel it's significant. I'm sure there are other factors folks can point out if they put their mind to it.
We all know know business is going to make money one way or another BUT. do we have to give them an incentive to move by also giving them a tax cut for moving the small motors division of GE out of the country by virtue of an "export allowance" for the machinery they moved out of the country?
We all know of the closure of hospitals and ESL classes adding to the cost of schools but how about the electricity used by illegals in Los Angeles and the brownouts that might be avoided if they weren't there. How about the extra gasoline they use adding to our burgeoning energy depenence. Mexico gets the best of that deal too. Get rid of people and sell more of their oil surplus to the U.S. making more money. Of course it only amounts to the population of Los Angeles spread out over the entire country but I still feel it's significant. I'm sure there are other factors folks can point out if they put their mind to it.