Immigrants Sue Wendys

My take on the article is that they came here illegally. The original article states that Wendy’s and the law firm filed paperwork to “help them acquire legal status”, which implies they didn’t have legal status prior to the intervention of Wendy’s. I think that it’s pretty clear, based solely on the article, that these aliens are illegal aliens. That said, I do think that Wendy’s (actually the law firm they hired) made a mistake and the aliens should be able to sue them to be recompensed for money spent in good faith. However, that doesn’t change the fact that they are indeed illegal aliens and should be sent home for their illegal entry into the United States.

In my view, regardless of how “good” a person is, or how “beneficial” (s)he might be to the United States, if they enter the United States illegally they have deprived us of the right to actually make that determination of value. Consequently, no matter how poorly they might have been treated by some entity once here (i.e. the law firm hired by Wendy’s) they should be sent back to their country. Period.
 
Agreed, if they are here illegally, they need to go home and re-enter via the legal immigration process. It's just not clear from the article either way, and it IS possible that they were here legally.

But the point is they have a right to either get what they paid for or get their money back with interest. It may be a screwy law they were taking advantage of, but for those of us who whine and moan about those who flaunt the law, we have to recognize that it WAS the law and they got done out of something they paid for.

Springmom
 
I'm in a cranky mood this morning for personal reasons.

Thus, FLAME ON - the core driving the initial post is that the folks are Hispanic and brown skinned. The argument about their being illegal is just a cover for antipathy based on that fact.

I've thought long and hard about the issue. Two of my grandparents were illegal European immigrants. However, I think that I managed to contribute something to the country even though I descended from such criminals.

The reason we cannot figure out how to make people who want to work legal is because:

1. Big business wants to exploit them for the most part. Hail - the free market.

2. Folks don't want more brown folks in the country as official citizens.

Since I've moved to TX, I've worked and played with many, many Hispanics. I don't view their moving to the US as a threat. Figure out the legality and get over it. If your white butt is threatened - get your Zombie gun and live on a mountain. Learn how to trap small game and live off the land.

Sure, we have some troubles with immigrants. We always did. There were laws against folks like my grandparents. They didn't fit.

FLAME OFF!
 
tyme said:
If they'd arrived on some sort of legitimate visa, I haven't found that mentioned anywhere. I admit I don't know much about running small or mid-sized companies, but why would a small restaurant chain like Cafe Express sponsor visas? For that matter, why would Wendy's, unless you're talking about management or infrastructure? Doesn't a company have to have particular skillset needs before it can sponsor immigrant visas?
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I can give you several good reasons why companies would like to sponser immigrants and help them acheive legal status. In some areas, it is VERY DIFFICULT to find good help. Workers being sponsered by a company are VERY job loyal since that is the only way they can stay in the country legally. They won't be quitting without notice just because they don't like the job or someone offers them $.25 more an hour. No matter how crappy the job may seem, the living conditions are often far better in the U.S. than the country they emigrated from and the pay is often much more than what they would make back home. When your family back home is relying on your support, you tend to value your job and work hard to ensure you don't lose it. It is not about exploiting immigrants. You must pay them the legal minimum wage and most of the time, we pay at least fair market wages if not more.

In some areas, it really is hell getting good employees. This is especially true for newly developed areas that are more on the up scale side. This was the case for North Atlanta (Alpharetta actually for those who know Atlanta) about 10 years ago. Burger King was paying cashiers $9.50 an hour and those employees had to commute at least 45 minutes to get there. This was 10 YEARS AGO mind you. Minimum wage was still $5.15 there. (I'm not sure if it has increased since). We were hiring local kids who really didn't need or care for the job at $6.50 an hour. They would call in sick or just not show up all the time. They would give free food to their friends, and most likely skim from the register when we weren't looking. Lets not forget to mention having several of them show up to work drunk or high (kids mind you). Would I have prefered a reliable, hard working immigrant who valued their job for a fair wage instead? Hell yeah!
 
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It seems to me that these immigrants went out of their way trying to become kosher citizen workers and Wendy's cut them off at the knees.

That law firm could be in it pretty deep if they truely neglected to take action on behalf of these folks who were relying on them. I hope they have to eat some of whatever judgement may result from this situation.
 
Bill, your short statment caused me to reflect on my hard line.
I feel for these people and all that come here. If I was from South of the border, Aisa, or dozens of other countrys and could not get here legal, like them I would try to come anyway I could. I don't blame a one of em. but this can't continue on as it is forever. It needs to be stopped. I don't have a answer I have ideas but none are really satisfactory. It does need to be stopped and the good people that really want to be Americans, that work and try to be good citizens, need to become legal and a end put to this mess.
 
Rich,

I am with you on this one, but their point is that there were illegal to begin with and should not be allowed legal status while the countless other have to wait patiently because they chose not to break the law and illegally enter the country. For them, it doesn't matter that they were trying to become legal. While amnesty for the illegal immigrants was in fact law, I can understand why some feel that it simply encouraged people to enter illegally and still become legal.



rem33,

People from asia do sneak over here. That is why every so often, the port authority discovers shipping containers filled with dead asians. Many people are literally dying to get into the country. It is sad, but I guess they see no future in their home countries.
 
Stephen-
I'd agree except to suggest that they start a separate thread on amnesty. And I'd agree with their points.

This thread is not about amnesty. It's about the right to recover, in American Courts, damages from others who (thru simple oversight or sloth) failed to provide you what you paid for. (And that does not mean simply "repayment of fees"; it means damages due to your reasonable expectation of the benefits had they honored their contractual obligation.) The thread is about their standing to ask for those damages regardless of their status before of after the fact.

Given the circumstances reported, they have that right, no matter what they did before or after. Example: Should the car thief have recourse against the attorneys and cops that he turned himself into if, after the fact, they beat and robbed him? Or should we claim he got his just desserts?

Rich
 
Stephen426, it is sad, like I said " I really don't blame them". Something needs to happen and it is not going to make everyone happy.
At one time I had a brother-in-law that had came illegally from Hongkong. He claimed his father was a GI ( I believed him). This was over 30 years ago so I don't recall all the particulars but, he had served in the military to help become "legal". Owned a restaurant and was a upstanding citizen and a heck of a nice guy. I am not advocating this, just that if ones sacrifices enough better things may happen.
Not by marching in the streets waving foreign flags and making demands. I kinda think I would round those up and deport them all.
Then again the ones that came illegal should not be placed ahead of those that go thru legal channels.
What a mess, I shoulda kept my mouth shut as there is no good answer here.
Wendy's should never have hired them in the first place but again I have no truck with outfits that don't keep their word. How nice the world would be without liers and thieves and cheats.
rant rant I am done.
 
They paid for something and got nothing.Whether the actions were intentional or just plain forgetfulness,they still paid for it.This part, to me, is like one of those internet scams.They should each be reimbursed the total amount they paid in by the persons that were responsable for handling it.In the meantime, Id also send the illegals back to their point of entry and fine the business that mismanaged it and the one whom hired them.


It has to start somewhere.The fines might help pay for the cost of more border security.
 
They might also be entitled to monetary damages also. Because the paperwork wasnt filed they will possibly suffery a monetary loss and other benefits. One of the goals is to make the person whole.
 
The only way I could imagine the lawyers not having to pay a large amount of money would be if the SCOTUS found the amnesty program unconstitutional.

As long as it exists, the damages from not becoming permanent U.S. residents is vastly more than the roughly $5.5k that was deducted from each of their paychecks ($25/week for 4.5 years, allegedly).
 
in simple terms.

$8.91 an hour for a store clerk in a store clerk in Montpelier, Vermont

$1.67 an hour (US) for a store clerk in in Mexico City.

$290 bucks a week difference

$15,080 a year

30 year old with 32 potential earning years = $520,000 dollar loss

I dont even know how how Social Security would fit into this equation. Nor loss of health and insurance benefits.
 
slightly off topic...

Attorneys for Olivares said the company deducted $25 from his weekly paycheck of $313.20 for 4 1/2 years to cover legal fees associated with the program. With the rest of his paycheck, Olivares said he helped support his sister, her two daughters and his ill mother in Mexico City.
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Wait, he made $313 per week, and LIVED on that, PLUS had money to send to Mexico?
Someone remind me why we have public assistance and need so desperately to raise the miniumum wage again please?
 
Probably because they can pack a bunch of folks into what we consider a dwelling for a family of four and split the expenses.
 
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