I'm proud of My 12 yr old Daughter.. She is standing up to her anti gun Teacher..
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I had a similar problem with one of my son's teachers when he was in high school. I mentioned to the principal that what the teacher was saying violated our religous beliefs (see the Luke passage above) and that I would file a complaint against the school if we underwent anymore religous persecution. To say nothing of the fact that they were political statements and contrary to our political beliefs also. It worked! No more anti-gun statements were made by that teacher for the remainder of the semester.
I'm a teacher, and I have some advice. If you don't like the content of a teacher's class, complain! If you complain to the teacher AND PRINCIPAL, it becomes too much of a headache to continue teaching it. You might be able to stop her from spreading such personal views in the future. If you can, go to see the principal with your wife. Dress well. If you are perceived as a caring parents, they will listen! If this teacher is attemping to pass her views on this issue, she's doing it on other issues as well. Point this out.
If the principal thinks that you are good parents that are worried about the subject matter in that classroom, it will call unwanted attention into that classroom from the principal. Turn up the heat, but do so in a professional manner. Being a hothead will do more harm that good.
Lastly, your daughter can be a major influence in the classroom. If she politely objects to such views, her fellow students WILL listen. Tell her not to oversell her views (as her teacher is) and to not take it personally. Her quiet disagreement will have a greater effect than she will realize at the time.
If the principal thinks that you are good parents that are worried about the subject matter in that classroom, it will call unwanted attention into that classroom from the principal. Turn up the heat, but do so in a professional manner. Being a hothead will do more harm that good.
Lastly, your daughter can be a major influence in the classroom. If she politely objects to such views, her fellow students WILL listen. Tell her not to oversell her views (as her teacher is) and to not take it personally. Her quiet disagreement will have a greater effect than she will realize at the time.
John232, Oh Yeah!!! Go after it.
Your daughter is obviously pleased with you, and is proving it. That she has taken the stand in spite of the loneliness, well, you go girl!!!
Dennis, I'm appalled that your's got "reprimanded" for their views. I'm afraid my attorney would have to discuss my views for me on that matter. They would most assuredly have a fight on their hands. To name one, the First comes to mind as being denied here. Or maybe I don't understand the problem at all.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
Your daughter is obviously pleased with you, and is proving it. That she has taken the stand in spite of the loneliness, well, you go girl!!!
Dennis, I'm appalled that your's got "reprimanded" for their views. I'm afraid my attorney would have to discuss my views for me on that matter. They would most assuredly have a fight on their hands. To name one, the First comes to mind as being denied here. Or maybe I don't understand the problem at all.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
I would truely like to congratulate you on raising you're daughter well. I too am speechless.
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I am new to this board and came here from a post of Oleg's @ http://www.arstechnica.com . I can say that I am impressed w/ this community.
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My father is a Union rep for a Central Florida School system, and although he personally doesn't own a weapon, he supports the second. He teaches on a high-school level. I heard that several teachers were banding together at the local elementary school to teach all but the 2nd in their classes, and I went to him and questioned to see if he could do anything about it. He blew me off as not being serious at first, but with a little persistence he placed a phone call to the Principal at the E school who said he would "LOOK INTO IT". The principal responded shortly thereafter with the statement that the 2nd promotes violence and therefore violates school policy and cannot be taught. Upon hearing this, I and my father placed a strategic call to a 2nd supporting lawyer in Orlando who jumped at it like a rabid dog. Needless to say, 1 phone call from him to the school board and now ALL the ammedments are being taught and the county is looking at the "EDDIE EAGLE" program.
"Never underestimate the power of a few determined citizens!"
"Never give up, Never give up, Never give up!" Sir Winston Churchill
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DOCSpanky HM3 USN
Happiness is a smoking gun and a dead criminal
"Never underestimate the power of a few determined citizens!"
"Never give up, Never give up, Never give up!" Sir Winston Churchill
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DOCSpanky HM3 USN
Happiness is a smoking gun and a dead criminal
Just one more reason to keep your kids out of the public school system. We have one ray of hope here in Georgia - Gov. Roy Barnes. Looks like he is going to shake up the school system. If the Teachers Union is upset with him then he must be doing something right. Even though he is a Democrate I voted for him. The NRA gave him their stamp of approval over the Republican.
Good for you. Hug your brave daughter for me.
We got sick of all of the socialist crappola in the schools a long time ago, and now we homeschool our kids.
The results?
Well, my son entered college at age 16, and is pulling mostly "A" grades.
We keep on doing what we do with our four young daughters, all of whom are proud, responsible gunowners.
They like knives too.
We got sick of all of the socialist crappola in the schools a long time ago, and now we homeschool our kids.
The results?
Well, my son entered college at age 16, and is pulling mostly "A" grades.
We keep on doing what we do with our four young daughters, all of whom are proud, responsible gunowners.
They like knives too.
Mrs Mad Dog
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Your daughter is to be applauded.
You are also to be applauded for having taught her her Consitutional rights.
Her teacher would have been considered a domestic enemy by our nation's founding fathers.
How sickening that she is teaching this country's future voters to oppose one of the very rights that differentiates us from the oppressive third world nations.
When the Constitutional RIGHTS of our children are not being taught to them in the schools that are ostensibly preparing them to be responsible adults, then we the people, need to make sure that they are!
May I suggest that you complain to the school board and to the newspaper?
People fear what they do not understand, and most of the anti-gun movement is based on fear.
If you are coming to Knifegnugen, our daughters should get together for a little shooting. She can borrow one of our daughter's customized rifles if she does not have one of her own.
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Mrs. Mad Dog
You are also to be applauded for having taught her her Consitutional rights.
Her teacher would have been considered a domestic enemy by our nation's founding fathers.
How sickening that she is teaching this country's future voters to oppose one of the very rights that differentiates us from the oppressive third world nations.
When the Constitutional RIGHTS of our children are not being taught to them in the schools that are ostensibly preparing them to be responsible adults, then we the people, need to make sure that they are!
May I suggest that you complain to the school board and to the newspaper?
People fear what they do not understand, and most of the anti-gun movement is based on fear.
If you are coming to Knifegnugen, our daughters should get together for a little shooting. She can borrow one of our daughter's customized rifles if she does not have one of her own.
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Mrs. Mad Dog
Good for you, John! I'm a teacher, and I wish more parents took an active role in monitoring what their children were doing in school....I teach in a juvenile facility, and, if more parents were as vigilant as you, I'd probably have a lighter workload!
Your daughter's teacher is obviously a birdbrain. She needs to pay more attention to what she's supposed to be teaching, be it spelling, grammar, letter format or (hello) Constitutional Rights, which would include the right to write that letter as well as RKBA, and less attention to pushing her PC views on a new generation.
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Your daughter's teacher is obviously a birdbrain. She needs to pay more attention to what she's supposed to be teaching, be it spelling, grammar, letter format or (hello) Constitutional Rights, which would include the right to write that letter as well as RKBA, and less attention to pushing her PC views on a new generation.
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A child in school has many problems when "standing up" to a teacher:
1) The teacher is backed up by the entire school administration. The
child, at least at that moment, stands alone.
2) Virtually any college-educated adult who has worked with children for a
while, can maneuver the child into saying or doing something truly
inappropriate. The child's argument is then undermined or even
disregarded as the new "infraction" becomes “the problem”.
3) No matter how much schools *say* they want parental involvement, it
usually is a lie. Schools want parental *support* - not involvement. Any
parent who disagrees with the “establishment” is considered “another
hysterical parent who can not control his child”. (Yes, that is a quote.)
4) School teachers have been taught rhetoric and have verbal skills which
many parents do not have. Parents frequently are at a disadvantage when
it comes to arguing with the smug, overbearing, paternalistic, elitist and
condescending attitudes of many (not all, repeat, *not all*)
self-proclaimed “educators”.
5) This so-called “serious attempt to awaken parents to their obligation to
support the education of their child” by sending home “contracts” which
the parents MUST agree to, certify, and sign is too offensive for me to
address today. But such contracts all too frequently are wielded like a club
by the schools to beat down the parents. (They have tried it with me -
didn’t work.)
There’s more, but this is not the subject of John’s thread.
John’s daughter is a hero. period.
She is a credit to John, his entire family, his community and our country -
much more so than the globalist, Socialist brainwashing that passes for
“education” in too many educational institutions.
Here’s a tip o’ the ole Stetson to John and his family.
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1) The incident involving my daughter and me is somewhere in the
history of TFL. When search again is fully operable, I’ll try to find it. But
there’s to much to enter here.
2) In an attempt to prevent a backlash from “educators”, let me again
stress I am talking ONLY about those whom the shoe fits. For balance:
There is a teacher at the local high school who is beloved by her students
and their parents. She is NOT an “educator” in the modern sense of the
term. She is a teacher. She teaches. Students learn. She encourages and
develops children’s natural curiosity. Nearly all students love her.
She speaks with parents straight and plain - no surprises, no nastiness,
just facts and suggestions. She’s as gentle and she can be, and as hard as
she must be. It is only her love for her students and her calling that
sustain her against the onslaught of the administration - one of whom she
once called a “worm” (to my nearly hysterical delight).
She is a treasure to our entire county (at a minimum). And there are
many such treasures. How they put up with all the idiotic,
counter-productive “improvements” in their calling is beyond my
understanding.
As much as I despise the “educators”, it is overshadowed by the respect
and admiration I have for the “teachers”. And, no I can’t give a quick and
short definition of each term - but I hope each of you knows what I am
trying to say.
Sorry to be verbose - but his is a hot button for me...
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Again, congratulations, John. Please tell your daughter she has a BIG
bunch of cyber-friends!
1) The teacher is backed up by the entire school administration. The
child, at least at that moment, stands alone.
2) Virtually any college-educated adult who has worked with children for a
while, can maneuver the child into saying or doing something truly
inappropriate. The child's argument is then undermined or even
disregarded as the new "infraction" becomes “the problem”.
3) No matter how much schools *say* they want parental involvement, it
usually is a lie. Schools want parental *support* - not involvement. Any
parent who disagrees with the “establishment” is considered “another
hysterical parent who can not control his child”. (Yes, that is a quote.)
4) School teachers have been taught rhetoric and have verbal skills which
many parents do not have. Parents frequently are at a disadvantage when
it comes to arguing with the smug, overbearing, paternalistic, elitist and
condescending attitudes of many (not all, repeat, *not all*)
self-proclaimed “educators”.
5) This so-called “serious attempt to awaken parents to their obligation to
support the education of their child” by sending home “contracts” which
the parents MUST agree to, certify, and sign is too offensive for me to
address today. But such contracts all too frequently are wielded like a club
by the schools to beat down the parents. (They have tried it with me -
didn’t work.)
There’s more, but this is not the subject of John’s thread.
John’s daughter is a hero. period.
She is a credit to John, his entire family, his community and our country -
much more so than the globalist, Socialist brainwashing that passes for
“education” in too many educational institutions.
Here’s a tip o’ the ole Stetson to John and his family.
-------
1) The incident involving my daughter and me is somewhere in the
history of TFL. When search again is fully operable, I’ll try to find it. But
there’s to much to enter here.
2) In an attempt to prevent a backlash from “educators”, let me again
stress I am talking ONLY about those whom the shoe fits. For balance:
There is a teacher at the local high school who is beloved by her students
and their parents. She is NOT an “educator” in the modern sense of the
term. She is a teacher. She teaches. Students learn. She encourages and
develops children’s natural curiosity. Nearly all students love her.
She speaks with parents straight and plain - no surprises, no nastiness,
just facts and suggestions. She’s as gentle and she can be, and as hard as
she must be. It is only her love for her students and her calling that
sustain her against the onslaught of the administration - one of whom she
once called a “worm” (to my nearly hysterical delight).
She is a treasure to our entire county (at a minimum). And there are
many such treasures. How they put up with all the idiotic,
counter-productive “improvements” in their calling is beyond my
understanding.
As much as I despise the “educators”, it is overshadowed by the respect
and admiration I have for the “teachers”. And, no I can’t give a quick and
short definition of each term - but I hope each of you knows what I am
trying to say.
Sorry to be verbose - but his is a hot button for me...
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Again, congratulations, John. Please tell your daughter she has a BIG
bunch of cyber-friends!
John! Great job with your daughter. She sounds like a great little rebel. A group cyber-hug from the TFL family.
Dennis- If the circumstances warrant--sue them in to non existance. And be proud you sucked up the punishment along with your young'un
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Knock twice. Rap with your cane. Feels nice. You're out of the rain. We got your skinny girls. Here at the Western World
from Steely Dan's "Western World"
Dennis- If the circumstances warrant--sue them in to non existance. And be proud you sucked up the punishment along with your young'un
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Knock twice. Rap with your cane. Feels nice. You're out of the rain. We got your skinny girls. Here at the Western World
from Steely Dan's "Western World"
First time posting here.
You done a hell of a job with your daugter. I plan on doing the same with my children.
Reading this thread made me think about a lot of things. First off at 25 yrs old I had a sit down conversation with my 6th grade history teacher a while back. It wasnt formal, it just kinda happened. She was nice and respected all of my ranting about the 2nd and thats where it all starts and that sort of thing. Her response from a strong willed black woman turned out to be " Dave where did you learn that from?" Ms. Lewis taught me liberty and personal responsiblity. My folks taught it but sometimes it takes a third party to put it all together. She is one of the people that did that for me.
Its all going to hell but there are still some great teachers out there and we should support the people on our side. It meant a lot to get a "Im proud of you and I made a difference in your life", from a 6th grade teacher that I havnt talked to or seen in 10 yrs. She remembered my name, after all these years. The whole point of this is there is still a lot of good left in this world. Love the good and stomp the guts out of the bad.
As far as liberal puke teachers. My old man taught me you walk away until someone lays a hand on you. Talk is cheap. I follow that to the letter to this day. When I was a youngin I got pushed around by this one guy, all he did was talk ****. The day he touched me I put him in the ground in the worst kind of way. My principal called my folks in for a meeting and gave them the fighting isnt the way, speach, and they were wrong for telling me to fight back. Dad just looked at him for a a second and told him, "Reach over and touch me" To this day I never saw wider eyes.
It sure is a tough thing for a geekboy pussy puke to come face to face with a 6'2" 215 cut Marine. Ill follow Dad to hell and back again
without thinkng twice about it.
What all this means right now? I have no idea but I felt like tossing it out.
Again great job raising your daughter bro. This is coming from a young dude, print this thread out to show her when she is 16 and hell on wheels and I garuntee she will be. She is gonna be strong willed and defiant. Your not gonna like it, but you will respect it. **** like this makes a difference. Just a little advice from a guy that was too much like daddy. Trust me print it out and save it for future reference.
You done a hell of a job with your daugter. I plan on doing the same with my children.
Reading this thread made me think about a lot of things. First off at 25 yrs old I had a sit down conversation with my 6th grade history teacher a while back. It wasnt formal, it just kinda happened. She was nice and respected all of my ranting about the 2nd and thats where it all starts and that sort of thing. Her response from a strong willed black woman turned out to be " Dave where did you learn that from?" Ms. Lewis taught me liberty and personal responsiblity. My folks taught it but sometimes it takes a third party to put it all together. She is one of the people that did that for me.
Its all going to hell but there are still some great teachers out there and we should support the people on our side. It meant a lot to get a "Im proud of you and I made a difference in your life", from a 6th grade teacher that I havnt talked to or seen in 10 yrs. She remembered my name, after all these years. The whole point of this is there is still a lot of good left in this world. Love the good and stomp the guts out of the bad.
As far as liberal puke teachers. My old man taught me you walk away until someone lays a hand on you. Talk is cheap. I follow that to the letter to this day. When I was a youngin I got pushed around by this one guy, all he did was talk ****. The day he touched me I put him in the ground in the worst kind of way. My principal called my folks in for a meeting and gave them the fighting isnt the way, speach, and they were wrong for telling me to fight back. Dad just looked at him for a a second and told him, "Reach over and touch me" To this day I never saw wider eyes.
It sure is a tough thing for a geekboy pussy puke to come face to face with a 6'2" 215 cut Marine. Ill follow Dad to hell and back again
without thinkng twice about it.
What all this means right now? I have no idea but I felt like tossing it out.
Again great job raising your daughter bro. This is coming from a young dude, print this thread out to show her when she is 16 and hell on wheels and I garuntee she will be. She is gonna be strong willed and defiant. Your not gonna like it, but you will respect it. **** like this makes a difference. Just a little advice from a guy that was too much like daddy. Trust me print it out and save it for future reference.