http://youtube.com/watch?v=F272-2A2FDo
Fun to watch the nannystater get it handed to him by the rocker in a suit.
Fun to watch the nannystater get it handed to him by the rocker in a suit.
I'm apparently an Anarchist, just like Frank Zappa.
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Rich Lucibella
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God, I loved that man!
Back in the 70's he gave us such "obscene" lyrics as:
Gotta love him! But it's not gonna stop me from closing this thread unless someone demonstrates some real relevance to it.
Rich
Back in the 70's he gave us such "obscene" lyrics as:
Gotta love him! But it's not gonna stop me from closing this thread unless someone demonstrates some real relevance to it.
Rich
Huchahucha
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Well, before the thread gets closed...
This is an interesting illustration of how the political landscape has changed over the past 20 years. I was only 10 or 11 during the big rock and roll lyric scandal of the 80's, but I don't think I'll ever forget the Parent Music Resource Center (PMRC), who were the ones that got the whole thing started. It was a bunch of senator's wives protesting the content of rock and roll albums. The funny thing is that Tipper Gore was one of the main founders of the group, and her husband Al was there during the congressional hearings, grilling all these musicians in front of the cameras. So, when you watch this video clip and see Frank talking about a fascist theocracy, that's who he is talking about - Al and Tipper Gore. To me it really proves the point that terms like liberal, conservative, right and left really are just labels to manipulate the public and really don't mean much on Capitol Hill. The funny thing about the whole lyric controversy was that eventually the record industry and the politicians compromised and started putting warning stickers on the covers of albums. Well, album sales skyrocketted, but only on albums with the warning sticker. It got to the point that artists had to include at least one song on their albums with raunchy lyrics so they could earn the sticker and have a hit record.
Ah, but those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Not too long ago there was a controversy in the video game industry over the hit video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". The problem was that there are some graphic scenes hidden in the original printings of the game that can only be uncovered if you hack into the program to uncover them. Senator Hillary Clinton, in an effort to prove how much of a center and not left leaning politician she is, raised all sorts of hell about this in front of the cameras. The video game industry caved and came up with a new adults only rating for video games ("San Andreas" was already rated MATURE, and sales were supposed to be limited to 17 years and older). Up until this point the video game industry has always censored itself and has refrained from testing the limits of good taste. However, thanks to Hillary Clinton's efforts, I predict that it won't be long before the industry starts putting out sexually explicit video games now that they have an umbrella to cover them.
This is an interesting illustration of how the political landscape has changed over the past 20 years. I was only 10 or 11 during the big rock and roll lyric scandal of the 80's, but I don't think I'll ever forget the Parent Music Resource Center (PMRC), who were the ones that got the whole thing started. It was a bunch of senator's wives protesting the content of rock and roll albums. The funny thing is that Tipper Gore was one of the main founders of the group, and her husband Al was there during the congressional hearings, grilling all these musicians in front of the cameras. So, when you watch this video clip and see Frank talking about a fascist theocracy, that's who he is talking about - Al and Tipper Gore. To me it really proves the point that terms like liberal, conservative, right and left really are just labels to manipulate the public and really don't mean much on Capitol Hill. The funny thing about the whole lyric controversy was that eventually the record industry and the politicians compromised and started putting warning stickers on the covers of albums. Well, album sales skyrocketted, but only on albums with the warning sticker. It got to the point that artists had to include at least one song on their albums with raunchy lyrics so they could earn the sticker and have a hit record.
Ah, but those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Not too long ago there was a controversy in the video game industry over the hit video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". The problem was that there are some graphic scenes hidden in the original printings of the game that can only be uncovered if you hack into the program to uncover them. Senator Hillary Clinton, in an effort to prove how much of a center and not left leaning politician she is, raised all sorts of hell about this in front of the cameras. The video game industry caved and came up with a new adults only rating for video games ("San Andreas" was already rated MATURE, and sales were supposed to be limited to 17 years and older). Up until this point the video game industry has always censored itself and has refrained from testing the limits of good taste. However, thanks to Hillary Clinton's efforts, I predict that it won't be long before the industry starts putting out sexually explicit video games now that they have an umbrella to cover them.
Rich Lucibella
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Huchahucha-
If you were 10 or 11 in the 80's you should be early or mid 40's today.
Dude, with your clarity and your understanding of The Law of Unintended Consequences, you REALLY need to run for office! Say the word and we're your first campaign contribution!
Rich
If you were 10 or 11 in the 80's you should be early or mid 40's today.
Dude, with your clarity and your understanding of The Law of Unintended Consequences, you REALLY need to run for office! Say the word and we're your first campaign contribution!
Rich
[Thanks to our host for responding! I had written "Rich," when I meant, "Hal,"] can you document the claim that Zappa was a "soclalist and ant-gun guy?" I was unaware of that.
He describes himself in the video as "conservative" and expresses a strict-constructionist view of the Constitution. While I'm sure his definition of conservative undoubtedly differed from, say, Barry Goldwater's, it does give one to wonder.
He came to my attention (other than using a term from a WW II memory test in a song that involved dental-floss ranching) when he stood up to Al & Tipper Gore in one of their first bids for attention. That's about as much as I knew about his politics. But hey, he was opposed to censership; that at least gets him a little credit.
He describes himself in the video as "conservative" and expresses a strict-constructionist view of the Constitution. While I'm sure his definition of conservative undoubtedly differed from, say, Barry Goldwater's, it does give one to wonder.
He came to my attention (other than using a term from a WW II memory test in a song that involved dental-floss ranching) when he stood up to Al & Tipper Gore in one of their first bids for attention. That's about as much as I knew about his politics. But hey, he was opposed to censership; that at least gets him a little credit.
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Rich Lucibella
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Roberta-
I can't say for certain, but I would hazard a guess that he was not opposed to firearms ownership.
Zappa was a true enigma. He was brilliant, thoughtful and articulate. The clarity and precision of his thought process was reflected in his music and the way he conducted the band on stage; the words were the enigma....often raucous and wild.
From what I saw of him, he always struck me as an intellectual elitist in the best sense of the word....he seemed to revere simplicity of thought and efficiency of words....that's reflected in this interview. I don't think that would have allowed him to hold opposing positions on the First vs the Second Amendments. He simply was not that vain.
Rich
I can't say for certain, but I would hazard a guess that he was not opposed to firearms ownership.
Zappa was a true enigma. He was brilliant, thoughtful and articulate. The clarity and precision of his thought process was reflected in his music and the way he conducted the band on stage; the words were the enigma....often raucous and wild.
From what I saw of him, he always struck me as an intellectual elitist in the best sense of the word....he seemed to revere simplicity of thought and efficiency of words....that's reflected in this interview. I don't think that would have allowed him to hold opposing positions on the First vs the Second Amendments. He simply was not that vain.
Rich
Huchahucha
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HAHA! Thanks but no thanks. Too much backstabbing and Mickey Mouse b.s. in that profession for my temperment.
I'm not a Zappa expert, but there are only two issues I can think of that he took real hardline stances on. The obvious one of course is censorship, but he was also very anti-drug, which was downright amazing when you think that he started out in the 60's during the drugged out hippie days. Everybody listens to his crazy song lyrics and automatically thinks he was a drug addict. I think the lyrics eventually became an inside joke for Zappa to mask the fact that he managed to get the average joe to listen to meticulously orchestrated music, but nobody can hear it because they are focusing on the dirty words.
On the album "Shiek Yerbouti" there is a great song called Flakes, where he bashes union workers and a system that pays people on equality instead of merit. That really doesn't sound like something a socialist would write to me.
Rich Lucibella
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Esquire M Busterbury
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Who was it that once said: Freedom of speech is the right to yell "Theatre" in a crowded fire?
Either it's just a lil funny or reeeally deep...I don't know yet.
Either it's just a lil funny or reeeally deep...I don't know yet.
Lofton was correct
"Words have consequences, they have impact on people, I agree that the first line of responsibility is the family"
He pretty much descended into stupidity from that point.
Frank came to address a topic and refused to be derailed into peripheral irrelevant arguments even after being piled on by the zealots.
He stuck to his point in the face of the Twisty-Boys relentless attacks
Gotta love a guy like that
"Words have consequences, they have impact on people, I agree that the first line of responsibility is the family"
He pretty much descended into stupidity from that point.
Frank came to address a topic and refused to be derailed into peripheral irrelevant arguments even after being piled on by the zealots.
He stuck to his point in the face of the Twisty-Boys relentless attacks
Gotta love a guy like that
I listened to Frank a lot back in the 80's. And I was amused/intrigued with how he went to Eastern Europe to give advice after those countries pulled away from the USSR. Those countries saw him as an intellectual.
IMO, from listening to his music, I would say the only political label you could pin on Mr. Zappa was libertarian (with a small l).
And I do agree that we lost a good guy when he died far too young.
And I still have all my Zappa LP's. Including the really early Mothers ones. I bought those in Germany.
Gregg
IMO, from listening to his music, I would say the only political label you could pin on Mr. Zappa was libertarian (with a small l).
And I do agree that we lost a good guy when he died far too young.
And I still have all my Zappa LP's. Including the really early Mothers ones. I bought those in Germany.
Gregg