armoredman
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If all the Navy vets I met who claimed to be SEALs actually were...the Navy would be almost all SEALS...I was a lowly Gunners Mate SN on an ammo ship, never anything special, and will never, ever claim to be.
I'm a Vet and I Hate Guns...
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I've met one Army veteran, his background not known to me, that comes unglued at the thought of civilians owning AR-15 rifles.
His take on it is if you want one of them, join the Armed Forces. This guy was literally spitting mad at the idea of people owning them.
I just treated him as a flier, like at the range.
His take on it is if you want one of them, join the Armed Forces. This guy was literally spitting mad at the idea of people owning them.
I just treated him as a flier, like at the range.
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It's a small matter, but Rangers are not Special Forces. The Green Berets and Delta are the only Special Forces in the US military. Rangers fall under Special Operations. (Therefore, Special Forces are a type of Special operations unit)
Special Forces = unit/qualification/mission set
Special Operations = type of operation conducted by various units
That said, you won't find many men in Special Forces that are anti-gun. SF has the ability to police/purge thier own and those who are would likely not last very long on an ODA.
I'm in the same boat as MTT TL, and CPT "Shill" was there at the same time I was (I never knew her personally). I was coming in from Korea and thought I was going to the 112th, but they diverted me over the 4th "POGue" (actually POG=Psychological Operations Group), which was much worse for a "Special Operations Unit"
They had two battalions providing SOCOM units direct support. One was that Signal Battalion, another was a Logistics Support Battalion. There was nothing "special" about them other than their equipment, better funding, more missions, and who they supported.
This "shill" likely was selected to command one of two "line-companies" in the battalion and probably was allowed to command the HHC (staff/support) company...her "two" Special Operations" companies. Truly, nothing special other than they got cool commo toys and a bigger budget.
After the PSYOP lunacy, I was able to get the SIGO job in the 7th SFG(A); a very entertaining part of my career. There is a lot of resume padding going on with service members unfortunately. If they're talking about their "special" careers, they're likely embellishing a tad (or simply lying a lot). Of the dozen or so I know and keep in touch with who were actually in/apart of that community, you would never know they were even in the military let alone on an ODA/ODB.
This shill is nothing more than a black mark on the military. Sure, she served, she got her free West Point education, but I really doubt she understood the oath she took. It's sad, but there are plenty that were and are in the ranks that don't reflect well on their oath to actually "support and defend the Constitution"...she's just another self-serving, narcissistic individual who wore a uniform, but never understood its importance.
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"As a veteran, I’m intimately familiar with the destructive power of firearms."
I found this statement in her article in The Lily. The statement is, at a minimum, extremely deceptive. However, I believe it is an outright lie!
Serving in a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces does not make any person "intimately familiar with the destructive power of firearms." I served in the U.S. Army for 2 1/2 years, including a year in Vietnam (Oct. 1969 - Oct. 1970.) I was a Area Intelligence Specialist but did not have a Specialist grade on a uniform. I was a Corporal in Vietnam and wore civilian clothing nearly 100% of the time. I was stationed in a small office in Saigon and drove a blue and white Jeep. I heard gun-fire nearly every day. I traveled into the Rung Sat Special Zone south of Saigon and to the base of Black Virgin Mountain.
I also wore civilian clothing during my last year in the Army while stationed in an office in a shopping mall in Alexandria, VA. I was a Sergeant at that time I was discharged.
I have more than 60 years experience with firearms beginning with paper targets and a single shot .22. My firearm collection is not great, but it does include inherited long guns, modern rifles, modern shotguns, and a few handguns. I've hunted rabbits and squirrels with .22 and a .410, waterfowl and upland birds with a variety of shotguns, coyotes with a .243, Whitetail Deer, Mule Deer, Pronghorn Antelope, Black Bear and Elk with rifles including .243, .270, and .300 Win Mag.
Honest and honorable hunters, regardless of sex or age, respect their living targets and do not intentionally make their living targets suffer a slow, agonizing death.
I found this statement in her article in The Lily. The statement is, at a minimum, extremely deceptive. However, I believe it is an outright lie!
Serving in a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces does not make any person "intimately familiar with the destructive power of firearms." I served in the U.S. Army for 2 1/2 years, including a year in Vietnam (Oct. 1969 - Oct. 1970.) I was a Area Intelligence Specialist but did not have a Specialist grade on a uniform. I was a Corporal in Vietnam and wore civilian clothing nearly 100% of the time. I was stationed in a small office in Saigon and drove a blue and white Jeep. I heard gun-fire nearly every day. I traveled into the Rung Sat Special Zone south of Saigon and to the base of Black Virgin Mountain.
I also wore civilian clothing during my last year in the Army while stationed in an office in a shopping mall in Alexandria, VA. I was a Sergeant at that time I was discharged.
I have more than 60 years experience with firearms beginning with paper targets and a single shot .22. My firearm collection is not great, but it does include inherited long guns, modern rifles, modern shotguns, and a few handguns. I've hunted rabbits and squirrels with .22 and a .410, waterfowl and upland birds with a variety of shotguns, coyotes with a .243, Whitetail Deer, Mule Deer, Pronghorn Antelope, Black Bear and Elk with rifles including .243, .270, and .300 Win Mag.
Honest and honorable hunters, regardless of sex or age, respect their living targets and do not intentionally make their living targets suffer a slow, agonizing death.
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Deceptive, yes, being a veteran is not in any way a prerequisite to being "intimately familiar with the destructive power of a firearm".
If you stretch things enough, anyone who has ever seen a bullet put a hole in something is "intimately familiar with the destructive power of a firearm".
So, in that regard, its not quite a lie.....I think...
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I suppose it depends on how one defines "intimately." It could be argued that one cannot be "intimately" familiar with the destructive firepower of a firearm unless one has been shot with one, or unless one is an emergency room doctor in a trauma center.44 AMP said:
Well you see, if they will lie and deceive on this one little topic, then they must be lying about the entire agenda. Guns aren’t even the hot button issue at the moment, what about the topics that they are really hopping about now...
Never trust a politician or someone who has a political ax to grind. Never never ever trust anyone with a political foundation.
Never never never ever ever ever trust a person uses their public service as a tool to deprive you of a constitutional right.
Never trust a politician or someone who has a political ax to grind. Never never ever trust anyone with a political foundation.
Never never never ever ever ever trust a person uses their public service as a tool to deprive you of a constitutional right.
Aguila Blanca
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That's pretty much the point. She didn't outright lie (exactly), but she also didn't exactly tell the truth. As you wrote, she is milking it hard and playing on people's ignorance.davidsog said:
It's pretty annoying.
I think if a Carlos Hathcock or Roy Benavidez type person came out in favor of gun control I'd hate it but respect their position anyway out of respect to the person. I'd simply respectfully disagree. This woman is clearly trying to mislead people about her bona fides and therefore I find her unworthy of respect due to the deceptive nature of her opinion piece.
I think if a Carlos Hathcock or Roy Benavidez type person came out in favor of gun control I'd hate it but respect their position anyway out of respect to the person. I'd simply respectfully disagree. This woman is clearly trying to mislead people about her bona fides and therefore I find her unworthy of respect due to the deceptive nature of her opinion piece.
Aguila Blanca
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That's why I liken her article to stolen valor. Her claims aren't much different (if at all) from the cook who never went beyond Spec4 and never deployed claiming to be jump qualified, Combat Infantry Badge, and Ranger qualified. Yes, she served. But she wasn't what she has put herself forward as having been.MTT TL said:
That is illegal too. It is all stolen valor if you lie or misrepresent your service record.
We had a chaplin show up to the unit with a Ranger Tab and MFF wings. Turned out he did not attend either school but made himself PX qualified. His excuse was he thought the unit members would not respect him.
He was arrested. The charges were dropped in exchange for his resignation from the Army and acceptance of an other than honorable characterization of service.
It is illegal if you are in the military. If you are not in the military the list of prohibited claims is limited. Most claims of combat skill badges and most valorous medals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor_Act_of_2013
It falls under free speech.
Most serious combat vets, including special forces are generally silent about their experiences.
All military jobs are important to the mission, most of us are satisfied with that, some need to show some valor in order to be legitimized. But, some support troops do experience combat, so mos isn’t always a teller of wartime experiences.
Most serious combat vets, including special forces are generally silent about their experiences.
All military jobs are important to the mission, most of us are satisfied with that, some need to show some valor in order to be legitimized. But, some support troops do experience combat, so mos isn’t always a teller of wartime experiences.
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