Illinois gun mfg. Support bad legislation

Mike38 said:
Condoning illegal gun sales is now called standing up for the 2nd Amendment? It's been a long time since I was in school, has the English language changed that much?

Springfield and Rock River are doing CYA. They want to stay in business. If they side with you here that are condoning illegal gun sales, they will not stay in business long.

I never should have involved myself in this thread. Have fun condoning your illegal activities guys......
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You appear to be the only person in this thread who is condoning illegal activities, since you claim to have personal knowledge of it and yet you have done nothing to report it.
 
Now, both RRA and SA have released statements saying they completely oppose this bill.

...looks like the loss of revenue made their PR departments scramble.
(Color me skeptical of the main backers of the lobbying group both denying support for the lobbyist's actions...)
 
Agreed. They'll have to renounce/return their carve-out and go all-out on opposing this bill in the house to make me start believing they're sincere about this.

Either way, it's been a PR debacle that never needed to happen.



Larry
 
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Constantly, from my fellow firearm dealers, I received requests to back modifications of firearm laws that were deliberately concocted to put me out of the firearms business.

In one instance, their spiel outright said that we want to raise the license fee to $250 a year to put the "hobbyist" dealers out of business.

When businesses want higher costs, or more regulations from the government, you can bet the reason is protection from competitors.
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Man did you nail this, It reminds me of NY Taxi laws.. and indeed I think most of the country.

From what I understand in NY license to run a taxi is like 1 million dollars and they have rules on how old the car can be etc.

Way back in the day before the laws the avg little guy could get him self a car and run his own taxi.. now that's impossible.
It's why they all hate Uber.

You appear to be the only person in this thread who is condoning illegal activities, since you claim to have personal knowledge of it and yet you have done nothing to report it.
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So what? My sister lives in an apartment building and her neighbor likes to smoke weed on his terrace, should I call the law?
Im staunchly anti-drug, but im also pro "if it ain't hurting anyone do what ever the hell you want!".
 
JoeSixpack said:
So what? My sister lives in an apartment building and her neighbor likes to smoke weed on his terrace, should I call the law?
Im staunchly anti-drug, but im also pro "if it ain't hurting anyone do what ever the hell you want!".
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Except Mike is supporting legislation to put 90% of FFLs out of business while the guy he's worried about will continue to break the laws.
 
I read that the yearly fee to be a FFL would be $1000 to $3000. There would be inspectors to check on gun shops and their salaries would be paid for out of the yearly gun shop fee. Illinois is broke so they can't and won't pay any part of it. Of course the fee might start out as $1000 to $3000 and go up to who knows what a year or two later.

If this passes a lot of small part time FFLs will probably close like one I've used only charged $15 for a transfer from another dealer I bought from out of state. He has a full time business but I'm sure he'd have to raise his fees for a transfer so high people wouldn't use him if he had to pay a yearly $1000 fee.
 
raimius said:
Now, both RRA and SA have released statements saying they completely oppose this bill.
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What really matters is how Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms got their exemption in this bill. Throwing the 2nd Amendment and your competitors under the bus by paying off, err lobbying, politicians is about as unsavory as it gets...
 
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