Illinois Ban on Carry Ruled Unconstitutional (See Page 7)

Depends whether that's it or there will be more, and hopefully those instructors will do several classes a week, and not just 1 class a month.
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Look again. My calculations are based on each instructor doing FOUR classes a month, 30 people per class. (120 people a month is 30x4.)

The classes have to be two-day, so four classes a month is the practical limit.
 
I think they have until October 3rd to increase the number of approved instructors.

I would think it would be a factor if the ISP has create a bottleneck by virtue of not approving instructors.

A right delayed is a right denied right?
 
Oral arguments were heard today in Sheppard, which is challenging the mootness of the case. A link to the orals is in the post by press1280, here.

To say this didn't go well for Mr. Cooper (the NRA attorney), is quite an understatement. I don't suspect that the panel will have to spend much time in writing an opinion which merely affirms the lower court.

In other news, looking at the IL link for Concealed Carry Instructors, provided by Luger_carbine above, I see that there are now 861 approved instructors. Quite a leap from 2 weeks ago.
 
I think the NRA's attorney was Thompson, who probably wishes it were Cooper instead of him.
Anyway it's pretty much cut and dry that they'll have to file a new lawsuit against the new law. It may be worth it, just to hold ISP's feet to the fire. ISP is indicating CCW applications will not be available until January; before they had indicated the applications would be ready by January. Then they give themselves another 90 days to process.
 
To be fair to the ISP, there is gong to be huge crush of applications in the beginning. I'd expect it to take far longer to process applications initially than it will be a year from January. Hopefully the pols won't take the $150 fee and divert it to other things, but this state being as broke as it is I wouldn't put it past them.
 
Sounds like an instructor could make good money working full time. Offer the two day course on weekends, and during the week. Give folks the option of taking Day One and Day Two in sequence, or on any scheduled day of the month, with a month to take the entire course.

Could get a lot more people through the system doing that.
 
CA7's opinion for Shepard is out. No suprise here, although I'm sensing Posner is inviting another lawsuit to challenge the foot dragging by IL.
They also make a passing reference to the District judge in Moore finding the case isn't moot. But the cases aren't consolidated, so there's not much more to say until, and if, Moore gets back to CA7.
 

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That actually took more time than I figured it would.

No, Judge Posner didn't "invite" a new lawsuit. He flat told them that that's what it would take.
 
And now we see just how misguided was the gambit for FOID carry.

On 10-JUL-13, Plaintiffs moved Federal District Court Judge Stiehl: "... to forthwith and no later than July 16, 2013 (i) declare the challenged laws barring the public carrying of firearms by law-abiding citizens unconstitutional, and (ii) enter a preliminary and/or permanent injunction barring said laws' enforcement ...". Sixteen days later the Court dismissed the motion "for lack of subject matter jurisdiction" and, on 05-AUG-13, Plaintiffs appealed seeking "... reversal of the district court's order and a remand instructing the district court forthwith to enter the declaratory and injunctive relief they are entitled to under this Court's decision in Moore".

With that as background, the Posner panel re-convenes; not to adjudicate the Motion regarding continued enforcement of the state's longstanding prohibition on the bearing of arms but, rather, to address a "gripe ... that the state is dragging its heels in bringing its new, concealed-carry law into line with our ruling." Really?!!

Plaintiff's, I dare say, couldn't care less about 430 ILCS 66; the issue is 720 ILCS 5/24-1.

If you don't like the answer then just re-phrase the question, eh Judge?
 
Well I'm off to my IL concealed carry class this morning. A big shout out to all who supported the state in making this possible. Cook County's hold on the state ain't what it used to be, especially concerning this issue.
 
Since I'm a veteran I received an instant 8 hours credit towards the 16 hour requirement. The best part about the class was line item by line item going over IL laws concerning firearms, mostly dispelling myths and rumor; that was priceless. Did some basic, rookie draw/reholster drills, clearing jams/stovepipes, and some concealing theory then off to the range to prove you can hit the broad side of a barn. Overall, the 8 hours was worth my time. The opportunity to sit and grill an IL NRA instructor on the ins and outs of the insane IL laws was a good thing (especially since I'm a transplant from FL). I took my class through Illinois Gun Pros in Lombard, IL.
 
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Right now there is no reciprocity as far as carrying. For the IL 16 hour training requirement, they do offer up to 4 hours of credit for "training" taken that lead to a CC license from some other states. But, they do not accept the other states CC license only as proof of the training, the training certificate or signed/stamped application in cases such as Utah stating training was taken in the other state is required to receive the credit. For instance, I have a valid FL CC, but could not get the 4 extra hours of credit because I got the FL CC because I'm a veteran, I did not take a CC class. Currently, the absolute minimum training requirement to receive an IL CC is 4 hours; that's if you have 8 veterans credit hours by showing your DD-214 and 4 additional hours of training such as NRA pistol courses or another states CC class.
 
Thanks Carry. I wish we could just treat CC permits like a drivers license, it is a pain to keep up with all the differences of all the states I travel in.

Guess because Illinois wanted to ban carry in the first place I can probably not look forward to them recognizing Iowa. But on the bright side Iowa will recognize yours and all other states permits.
 
IL does offer non-resident permits ($350 I believe), but no reciprocity to get it is allowed, and the training requirement from an IL instructor still stands.
 
IL Permit Applications now being accepted!

Considering this is a new chapter in this saga for IL... perhaps this post should actually be the start of a new thread, up to the mods.

Don't hate me for linking Breitbart... it has the most information from all the links I found talking about the numbers:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...s-Flood-Online-Conceal-Carry-Application-Site


4,525 individuals signed up on Sunday alone for their firearms permits, when the State Police first opened the process to all concealed carry applicants.

Illinois State Police spokeswoman Monique Bond said that number is included in Sunday’s total of more than 11,000 people who have signed up because of an early application process that began December 18 and was open to only firearm instructors. Officials told the Sun-Times they expect 350,000 to 400,000 people (about 1,000 per day) will sign up for conceal carry firearm permits this year.
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