Illinois ammunition registry bill introduced

ok, I get that it, they are ALL steps in their hopeful course to outlawing all weapons and ammo.

What I was looking for is, what kind of situation could such a registry help police in solving a real crime, such a robbery, assault, or murder??

what use might it have as evidence?? If they say "the records show the defendant bought ammo on the 15th, at XYZ Sports, the week before the murder", what can that actually get them??

Doesn't that open up them to being required to prove that the ammo used was what was purchased? And not just the same caliber & bullet weight, but the actual ammo bought on that day, from XYZ?

Can't be done that I know of. Absent the desired microstamping/serial #ing of the ammo itself, each round, I don't see how it can be established BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. (and no doubt serial # on each case and bullet is another law on their agenda...)

Ok, it might be possible where there is no other ammo at all in the defendant's possession, a good liar can convince a jury of almost anything...but if there's any other ammo, partial box, even an empty box to show that there was other ammo potentially available, that says reasonable doubt for taking their claim at face value. Other, additional evidence would be needed to convince me.

Perhaps it is part of the grand master plan, to make prosecutors jobs more difficult, resulting in fewer convictions, more criminals on the streets, resulting in more crime and greater public demand for new gun...er, CRIME control laws..??

perhaps I'm up too late and drank too much coffee...:rolleyes:
 
As I posted in #17 for no other reason than to see just how far can they push the boundaries. In other words, if we can push this past the voters we can push anything.

Though with the financial state of the State of Illinois the cost of this to the state would give good reason to raise taxes again. Such as income tax, sales tax, property tax or of course to expand the Cook County Bullet Sales Tax to a state wide tax. Then again do they or can they expand this tax to reloading supplies?
 
I was curious, wondering what, if any claimed public benefit is being used to justify the ammo registry.

The microstamping laws mad a claim about how it would help solve crimes. The laws requiring fired casings for a "ballistic fingerprint" claimed it would help solve crimes. So, is there a claimed crime solving benefit, or ability with ammo registration? Or are they just using the generic "it will reduce crime" crap?
 
Illinois is in such dire straights financially...rated at near junk bond status.
Nothing they do surprises me.
I live in Indiana.
Cabelas that is on the border of Indiana and Illinois has started requiring Illinois residents to show there FOID cards when making ammo and reloading components purchases.
I am glad they have too.
I cant buy a damn thing in Illinois but Illinois residents come here to Indiana and empty the shelves.
 
bulk ammo purchases could be used as red flags by state officers. joe schmuckatelli buys two boxes of ammo no big deal, he buys two cases and is now "banned" from buying more for several months/year or gets a visit from state officials as to why he "needs" so much ammo.
 
As indicated ^ I believe this is a 2-fold strategy:

#1 serialize ammo
#2 record transactions

Then theoretically they could find a casing and identify who bought it, or of course criminals may just pickup their casings, or may just buy ammo out of state :)
 
Then theoretically they could find a casing and identify who bought it, or of course criminals may just pickup their casings, or may just buy ammo out of state

Or the registered ammo could have been stolen from its registered owner, passed through a dozen "criminal" hands before being used and found at a crime scene.


As yet another hoop for gun owners to jump through (and bring their wallets), I'm sure it would be effective. As a measure aiding in solving crime, I think it would be like using a chicken wire window screen to keep the flies out....
 
Every year a lot of stupid gun control laws are proposed in Illinois and most all of them never even come to a vote. This ammunition bill is one of those. Last year there was one requiring only serialized ammo be sold in Illinois and any ammo one already had would have to be gotten rid of.

As 44 AMP has repeatedly stated their is no benefit from this silly bill. I already have to show an FOID card to buy ammo.

Illinois democrats, and in many other states, are trying to copy cat anything being proposed or already law in New York, New Jersey, or California.

I am a member of Illinois State Rifle Association and contribute to them regularly. I wish more firearm owners in Illinois would do the same.
 
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