Illinois ammunition registry bill introduced

What is wrong with those people in Illinois? Don’t they know that they are surrounded? Being Texan means also that we don’t believe everything we’re told. As far as I’m concerned Illinois has been screwed up since the time of Lincoln, at least! Those idiots keep the foolish lawmakers elected and they can’t see that their officials either don’t care for them or are too stupid to be in that position...

I’ve never even heard of the FOIT thing...
 
Roamin_Wade said:
What is wrong with those people in Illinois? Don’t they know that they are surrounded? Being Texan means also that we don’t believe everything we’re told. As far as I’m concerned Illinois has been screwed up since the time of Lincoln, at least! Those idiots keep the foolish lawmakers elected and they can’t see that their officials either don’t care for them or are too stupid to be in that position...

I’ve never even heard of the FOIT thing...
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"I’ve never even heard of the FOIT thing..."
Illinois has had the FOID card for decades. It is basically a card you apply for through the state police. They perform a background check and then if all is well you get your card with a photo ID. In Illinois you have to have one to buy ammo, buy a firearm and use a shooting range. It is an acronym for Firearms Owner Identification Card. I had one back in Illinois.
Illinois thinks that restricting law abiding gun owners deters crime. Liberal logic at best.
 
Of the 102 counties in Illinois, only 10 are blue. Problem is, those 10 counties hold a higher population than the remaining 92. If Illinois had a system like the Federal Electoral College, it would be a great state. Regardless, I don't think we need to knee jerk this one. There was a time, 40 some odd years ago, that there was an ammo registry of sorts in Illinois. Every time you bought ammo, your information was recorded. Too costly to keep records, non compliance, and difficult to enforce lead to it's elimination.
 
Illinois thinks that restricting law abiding gun owners deters crime. Liberal logic at best.
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No, I think they believe restricting law abiding gun owners deters gun ownership which is their end game.
 
No, I think they believe restricting law abiding gun owners deters gun ownership which is their end game.
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No, I think they believe restricting law abiding gun owners increases their power to control which is their end game.

There...fixed that for you. If my words are hard to understand, think North Korea.
 
The original purpose of the FOID card when introduced in the 1960s was to keep blacks from buying/possessing firearm and ammunition. Mayor Daley, who championed the FOID card, admitted this in his infamous call to LBJ trying to get him to do something at the federal level. The $10 charge was a substantial chunk of money in those days.
 
There was a time, 40 some odd years ago, that there was an ammo registry of sorts in Illinois. Every time you bought ammo, your information was recorded. Too costly to keep records, non compliance, and difficult to enforce lead to it's elimination.
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I had a FFL back in the 80s and there was a requirement to log all the ammo I sold, so the concept is nothing new.
 
If Illinois had a system like the Federal Electoral College, it would be a great state.
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So if ‘tyranny by the majority’ wasn’t bad enough, ‘tyranny by the minority’ would be better?
 
So if ‘tyranny by the majority’ wasn’t bad enough, ‘tyranny by the minority’ would be better?
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Voting for politicians that promise "free stuff" is not tyranny, it's stupidity. You can't fix stupid. Illinois can survive a handful of Team Blue politicians. Illinois can not survive the millions of uniformed / ill-informed people that elect them.
 
Mike38 there are 18 Congressional Districts in Illinois. As of the 2018 election Democrats now control 13 of those 18 and flipped 2 of those in the last election that were previously Red.

It's not a matter of Knee Jerking but more a matter of flooding the Legislature with gun Bills whether they are Constitutional or not. With the intention of locking up the states gun owners in case law while it works it's way through the courts. Hinder and Disrupt legal owners.
 
Mike38 said:
Voting for politicians that promise "free stuff" is not tyranny, it's stupidity. You can't fix stupid. Illinois can survive a handful of Team Blue politicians. Illinois can not survive the millions of uniformed / ill-informed people that elect them.
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Sounds like the GOP/different message folks need to do a better job on that message. I'd say they weren't 'uniformed' but not educated in the 'other' message.
 
kmw1954 said:
Mike38 there are 18 Congressional Districts in Illinois. As of the 2018 election Democrats now control 13 of those 18 and flipped 2 of those in the last election that were previously Red.

It's not a matter of Knee Jerking but more a matter of flooding the Legislature with gun Bills whether they are Constitutional or not. With the intention of locking up the states gun owners in case law while it works it's way through the courts. Hinder and Disrupt legal owners.
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more a matter of flooding the Legislature with gun Bills whether they are Constitutional or not
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With the intention of locking up the states gun owners in case law while it works it's way through the courts. Hinder and Disrupt legal owners.
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I think it's a matter of a law passed, then challenged in the courts vs a law proposed and challenged. The former may have an impact while it's progressing thru case law, the second does not, since it wasn't passed but proposed.
 
Leaving aside, for the moment, the grand scheme behind gun control laws, can anyone come up with a possible scenario where being able to track where and when someone LEGALLY bought ammunition could have a bearing on any kind of legal matter, let alone a criminal case??

Can anyone think of a plausible scenario? (different from possible?)

I can't. I can't see any benefit from the law other than as something they can prosecute you for if you break it.
 
A neighbor that one time lived by me was telling me at one time he was surveying in I think Africa I don't know where but he bought a 357 revolver from the hardware store there where police checks and paper work and waiting time when he had the revolver he ordered 1 box of 50 cartridges more paper work and waiting then he picked up his ammo and with in a few weeks he shot some of it . Some time later the police came by to see the gun and see the box of cartridges when opening the ammo box it was only half a box they wanted to know there the other half went he said he shot it the police where not happy at all. Then he remembered putting the empty brass in his door pouch in his vehicle . in the end all loaded and empty brass where accounted for . He was sure if he have just through the empty on the ground and left them he would be in trouble .
 
USNRet93 I guess I should have been more clear and succinct in my wording. I will keep that in mind. The intent of my comment was we will flood the Legislature with frivolous Bills to see what we can pass and then once we pass as many of those as possible we will let it all play out in the courts as to whether they will stand.

As for this Bill I find no reasonable explanation for it other than to again just to see what they can pass.

This link was provided to me by another member regarding this law previously.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20120726/federalammunitionregulation2012

He has also heard there is talk of trying to expand the Cook County Ammunition tax to state wide at 1 cent per round. Then my next question is how would this law or tax effect those of us the reload?
 
44AMP said:
Leaving aside, for the moment, the grand scheme behind gun control laws, can anyone come up with a possible scenario where being able to track where and when someone LEGALLY bought ammunition could have a bearing on any kind of legal matter, let alone a criminal case??

Can anyone think of a plausible scenario? (different from possible?)

I can't. I can't see any benefit from the law other than as something they can prosecute you for if you break it.
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It's a step towards outlawing reloading.
 
A friend brought up the question, If you reload what happens if they pass a law allowing them to enter you home and do an ammo inspection seeing as there will be a registry. Then what happens if you find more than you've claimed? Say you have reloaded or purchased out-of-state? Arrest? Fines? Confiscation?
 
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