Illegals: Should Assets and Profits Be Seized?

It strikes me that an awful lot is said about the "impact" of illegals in the US without any documentation or numbers to demonstrate what that is.
We'll start here with contagious diseases

http://newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine3.htm

Dr. Madeleine Cosman, Ph.D., ESQ
April 25, 2005
NewsWithViews.com

Illegal aliens cross America’s borders medically unexamined. We shrug. We do not know what Illegal Aliens carry in their backpacks. We do not know what they carry in their bodies.

Long ago we knew what legal immigrants brought with them. When my grandpa came to America, he kissed the ground of New York’s Ellis Island, then he stripped naked and coughed hard. Every legal immigrant before 1924 was examined for infectious diseases upon arrival and tested for tuberculosis. Anyone infected was shipped back to the old country. That was powerful incentive for each newcomer to make heroic efforts to appear healthy.

Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency Green Cards.

But Illegal Aliens stop at no medical checkpoint. Whoever walks through our foolishly open Golden Door comes in healthy or sick. If a border patrol sentry catches a healthy Illegal Alien he might be sent back home immediately. However, if we catch and detain a sick Illegal Alien, who after examination by physicians in a detention center proves to have a serious disease, we keep him! Foolish compassion makes us fear that his home country has neither adequate medical resources nor modern wonder drugs. So we release sick Illegal Aliens to the American streets, to infect others if their diseases are contagious, or we place them in our Medicaid program where we pay for their expensive treatments.

Foolish medical generosity encourages clever Illegal Aliens to exploit free medical care that EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, provides.[1] Foolish medical graciousness encourages cynical Illegal Aliens to take and take and take again.[2] Only a foolish guest will refuse what a foolish host offers. Our wide-open Golden Door guarantees that Illegal Aliens in their own self-interest will use and abuse our medical system. Our Golden Door also is propped open thanks to advocacy and legal aid of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Foundation, National Immigration Law Center, Southern Poverty Law Center, and similar open border groups.[3] America is fast becoming Hospital to the World.

Horrendous diseases that long ago America had conquered are resurging. Horrific diseases common in Third World poverty and medical ignorance suddenly are appearing in American emergency rooms and medical offices. Along with the visible invasion of Illegal Aliens across our borders is an invisible invasion of deadly diseases.[4]

Many illegals who skulk across our borders have tuberculosis (TB). That disease had disappeared from America thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as Isoniazid and Rifampin.[5] ,[6] ,[7] ,[8] ,[9] ,[10] TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60% of those infected. The culprit is the new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDR-TB).[11] Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico.[12] ,[13]

The mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major TB drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs (that cost about $2000). MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs with toxic side effects (that cost around $250,000).[14] ,[15] Each Illegal Alien with MDR-TB coughs and infects numerous people who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later, like a time bomb.

TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002 it spiked a 17% increase, but Prince William County, not far from Washington, D.C., had a meteoric rise of 188%. Public health officials blamed immigrants. Indiana School of Medicine in 2001 studied an outbreak of MDR-TB traced to illegal aliens from Mexico.

The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81% of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control ascribed 42% of all new TB cases to “foreign born” people who have up to eight times higher incidence.[16] ,[17] ,[18] ,[19] ,[20] ,[21] Apparently 66% of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines, and Viet Nam.

Virulent TB outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and children in Michigan,[22] ,[23] and adults and kids in Texas.[24] The teachers and kids caught it at school from coughing children of Illegal Aliens. In Minnesota, policemen suddenly came down with MDR-TB. The cops caught it in their patrol cars when they arrested Illegal Aliens who coughed in their faces. Recently TB erupted in Portland, Maine, and Del Ray Beach, Florida.

Chagas Disease has no known cure. Chagas has the revolting nickname of kissing bug disease. The Reduviid bug has parasites that favor the lips and face for infection. That noxious Trypanosoma-Cruzi protozoan annually infects 18 million people in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths.[25] ,[26] ,[27] ,[28] ,[29] ,[30] ,[31] This seditious disease also infiltrates America’s blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.[32] After 10 to 20 years, up to 30% will die when their hearts or intestines, enlarged and weakened by Chagas Disease, burst.[33] Two people died of the three people in 2001 who received Chagas-infected organ transplants.

Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so horribly destroys flesh, faces, and fingers it was called Disease of the Soul.[34] Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy or Hansen’s Disease was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted.[35] ,[36] ,[37] ,[38] Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states. There are leprosy clinics in New York City. Illegal Aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.[39] ,[40] ,[41]

Dengue Fever is exceptionally rare in America though common in Ecuador, Peru, Viet Nam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Mexico.[42] Recently there was a virulent outbreak of Dengue Fever on the Webb County, Texas, border with Mexico.[43] Though Dengue usually is not a fatal disease, Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever, is one strain of the disease that routinely kills.

Polio was eradicated from America but now reappears in illegal immigrants.[44] Intestinal parasites were mostly obliterated. Our fine sanitation and microbe-safe food supplies made them disappear. But they are back, in the bodies of Illegal Aliens.[45] ,[46] ,[47] ,[48]

Malaria was obliterated but now is re-emerging in Texas and other states.[49] ,[50] ,[51] ,[52] No mosquito that bites a person infected with malaria checks identification papers before biting another person to transmit debilitating fever.

About 4000 young children under age five annually in America contract the infectious disease called Kawasaki Disease. Youngsters develop fever, red eyes, “strawberry tongue,” and acute inflammation of their coronary arteries and other blood vessels. Many suffer heart attacks and sudden death.[53] ,[54]

Hepatitis A, B, and C are resurging.[55] ,[56] ,[57] ,[58] An outbreak of Hepatitis A in 2003 near Pittsburgh endangered 3000 thanks to infected Mexico-grown scallions and Illegal Alien kitchen workers in a Chi-Chi’s restaurant. Two Americans died. Asians number 4% of Americans but over 50% of Hepatitis B cases. We inoculate all newborns for Hepatitis B although mainly Asians are susceptible.[59] Why? The answer is political judgment not medical judgment.[60]

Deadly Marburg disease, like the fierce hemorrhagic Ebola, right now in April, 2005, is devastating Angola.[61] Physicians in that African country are despairing as hundreds of infected people bleed to death. Just one infected person who could walk through the Golden Door of our Hospital to the World could be a suicide bomber with incendiaries in his arteries, veins, or capillaries.

Terrorists are buying so-called “weapons grade” strains of disease organisms for bio-warfare. America risks devastation by evil intent of a terrorist or by innocent accident of an infected Illegal Alien walking through our foolishly open Golden Door.

Illegal Aliens secret in their bodies invisible, deadly time bombs. Homeland Security ignores these lethal weapons of health destruction.
 
I tend to rely more on my own ethics before the law. IMO, many laws are unjust, and many unethical deeds are legal.


Hmmmm, I championed that concept and lifestyle for about 1.5 days when I lived at home. MY ethics said it was OK to stay out until 3am, come home drunk with a girl, and sprawl out for a screw-fest on the livingroom floor. My dad didn't see it that way and - deservedly so - kicked my ass for it. I was in HIS house and lived by HIS rules.
While I'm sure it's nice to govern yourself according to your own ethics while disobeying whatever law happens to get in the way, that behavior will catch up to you eventually. If you live in America, you obey its laws. Illegal immigration is, well, illegal (umm, duh!). The fact that they are poor, starving decent people doesn't negate their breaking the law.
Come in legally and enjoy the bounty that this country has to offer. Come in illegally and you subject yourself to punishment. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
 
Some of these arguements seem foolish and shortsighted at best.
Just because something may be against the law, doesnt mean it's
wrong. Imagine for a moment, if it were directed against you. Lets
take the example of homeschooling. Let us imagine a United States
where homeschooling is illegal. You are compelled to enter your
child(ren) into the care of the state from ages 4-18. Anyone not doing
so is an antisocial criminal, who shall be punished to the full extent of
the law. What would *you* do in such a situation?

To assume righteousness in the law is foolishness. Laws should be
questioned & evaluated on a case by case basis rather than treated as
religious doctrine.

+1 to IronGeek. Just because something is law, does not make it right.

Maybe a scenario that hits closer to home is weapon prohibition.
If laws were passed tomorrow that mandated the collection and
destruction of personally owned firearms, how many of you would line
up to turn 'em all in, because "That's the law, and if you live here, you
need to follow the laws"...

I certainly hope that when *your* fat's in the fire, you'll do what's right,
and not just roll over to the first ridiculous law that comes along.

Should we have any rights to life, liberty or property? I mean really-
so long as you don't have anything to hide, what good are these?
They're just hiding places for illegal activities.

KJM is exactly on the ball here. Much of what many of you advocate is
nothing more than the roaring of a delerious crowd swept up in the
doubletime march to a totalitarian police state.

There but for the grace of god go us all...

standard issue
 
My dad didn't see it that way and - deservedly so - kicked my ass for it. I was in HIS house and lived by HIS rules.
I don't belong to whatever you think of as "America." I belong to myself.

The slave mentality is never pretty. Especally the slave who, instead of wanting to free himself, wants everyone else to labor under the same yoke.

- Chris
 
Ethics

Hmmmm, I championed that concept and lifestyle for about 1.5 days when I lived at home. MY ethics said it was OK to stay out until 3am, come home drunk with a girl, and sprawl out for a screw-fest on the livingroom floor. My dad didn't see it that way and - deservedly so - kicked my ass for it. I was in HIS house and lived by HIS rules.

I've had similar experiences when I was a teenager living at home. I think that your dad handled it badly, running the risk of erecting shame issues around sexuality. Fortunately, when my dad caught me, he simply turned around & went back upstairs, pretending not to notice rather than embarrassing me & my date. He talked with me about it the next morning, & stated that if I wanted to have a sex life, I would need to get my own place, which I did. This is how ethics are developed: largely by listening to our parents. As we get older, we rely less on guidance & more on our own reasoning.

But to blindly & blithely follow the law unquestioning calls to mind a funny word I've discovered elsewhere on this site: sheeple. :)
 
KJM and Standard Issue,

Let me first say that I am an avid opponent of the RICO statutes. That said…


Wow! Should General Motor's Assets be seized because their vehicles cause carnage of untold magnatude on our highways? Should Gun manufacturers be liable because their products are misused and kill the innocent?
As was said before, these examples are nowhere near applicable. In your examples, the activities of the company are completely legal, and should remain legal. When speaking of the employment of illegal aliens we are speaking of an illegal activity (and it would be my contention that it should remain illegal). Unless society decides to change the law, employing an illegal alien should carry with it consequences. Whether or not the use of RICO is an appropriate consequence is a valid discussion point. The morality of a law making it illegal to hire them is also a valid point to discuss. Regardless, implying that there is any commonality between the consequences of an illegal action and a legal one, is somewhat ridiculous.

Should we have any rights to life, liberty or property? I mean really- so long as you don't have anything to hide, what good are these? They're just hiding places for illegal activities.
Again, this doesn’t apply to the situation at hand. I think any normal person, of which I believe you are, would agree that in conjunction with due process, society is well within its rights to require gov’t to put a constraints on an individual lawbreakers right to life, liberty or property. The conviction and imprisonment of a criminal, the fining of one, or the execution of a murderer are the perfect examples of this concept.

My car's registration is expired. Since I am on the road illegally today, should the county come and take my vehicle to pay for the additional wear and tear I place on the highways? I don't plan on registering until early next week.
Clearly your actions should have consequences. I agree with you that taking away your car is too excessive, but that belief doesn’t mean that you should be able to violate the law with impunity.

At what point does the constitution and the PRINCIPLES it protects and establishes need to be destroyed[?]
I think that we are of the same mind; that laws and punishments should always be in keeping with the constitution and its principles. While seizure laws might be excessive, laws making it illegal to hire illegal aliens are entirely in keeping with the constitution. Namely, Article 1, section 8; The Congress shall have the power to…establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization…To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
 
It strikes me that an awful lot is said about the "impact" of illegals in the US without any documentation or numbers to demonstrate what that is.
Yeah I can give one number....one.....me. I have been a laborer or a construction worker almost my entire working life. When I lost my transportation I needed a job real bad and was willing to take a job that Americans aren't supposed to want: a dishwasher. I couldn't get a job for what is considered minimum wage in many states so I agreed to work for the lowest minimum wage....they were all taken by hispanics and I couldn't find a job for months. Later in life I was in the same situation and I tried to get a construction job (non-union) and found that they would only pay me what is minimum wage in many states for work I was supposed to be able to survive on with normal wages. The job market was so saturated with illegals with fake papers that the employers trap into working for them at a low wage that the pay was literally half of what it should have been.
I know they were illegals because they admitted it (at least the majority did)and they even gave me directions on how to get them locally. This is the Washington D.C. area folks and not the farming communities of the border states.

To whoever said that all the illegals they ever met had their families at home and they were just sending them money. Well, about 70% of all the illegals I have worked with or have ever known have at least one family member here and many had 3-4 family members with them. Now that is 70% of hundreds of illegals that I have worked with, known, met and talked with over the last 20 years (I am 35).

They are some of the nicest and hardest working people (in general) that I probably know, but they are here illegally and they are taking the jobs that I would gladly take if I had a family and they needed to be fed, even picking produce . It makes me angry that people use the argument that they are taking jobs that Americans don't want. If our economy gets any worse, then there will be a lot of Americans who would need those jobs and they would not pay enough to live on because the market would be filled with unfair waged, illegal workers.

As far as a law penalizing employers, there already is a fine for it and IIRC it is somewhere between $1,000-$3,000 for each incidence. This is not commonly enforced (in my area at least) because alll the employer has to do is to say he saw the I.D. , even if it is an obvious fake.

As far as the argument that said that the proposed law could be abused.....yes I agree, but they should enforce the laws already on the books though. It should be hard to argue that the employers should not be held responsible (although I have a feeling I may be proven wrong about how hard it is :) ) since you may (or may not) agree that an employer who runs a daycare center should be held responsible for not doing a backround check on an employee who turned out to be a registered child molestor. Illegal aliens are doing harm to our country and so this parallell argument using the molestor does apply, but just not the same in magnitude IMO.

I don't know what the majority of legal immigrants from Central America feel, but I knew one who was angry that the illegals are here because he took ten years and much trouble to become a resident legally and he also felt they were taking his job as well.
 
I can't call it either way. There's a few pro's and a lot of con's.

But I do know one thing. I'm not going to pick fruit for $ 4.25 an hour, and I doubt I'll get paid $ 20.00 an hour to do it either.

I also know I'd do anything regardless of legality to feed my family.
 
Something needs to be said about the pervasive lawlessness by government. We have government ignoring its own laws. We see corporation acting the ape and imitating government by simply ignoring the law. We see state government ignoring federal law and creating their own preferrential treatment to criminal aliens. In short we see government, which makes law, deciding to ignore law. We see business interest violating law when it is not in its best interest to obey the law.

What is worrisome is what happens in the future when government moves from
--not enforcing that exists (like giving a pass to criminal alien violations),
to
--enforcing laws that don't exist (conducting gun confiscation because the chilrens safety depends on it).

Both claim the higher moral ground. Both are illegal or unconstitutional on their face. Both ignore the expressed wishes of the ruled class. Both are conducted by the ruling class.

So what is the difference?
 
Gettiing further off the path...

Novus,

I sympathize with you, bro. I know how much it sucks when you need work & can't find a damn thing. One time during my college years my computer gig ran aground & I was left high & dry, finding no job at all for months. (Never applied for welfare either.) Finally landed a job washing cars for minimum wage. :barf: At least I was eating.

If you ask me though, immigrants filling positions for toilsome jobs at low wages is a small part of the problem in the American job market. The big issues here are global outsourcing & technological innovation. A great many of our country's problems would be cleared up very quickly if our government were not in bed with business. Outsourcing should be massively curtailed. Offshore tax havens should be reigned in. Technological innovation in the production lines should benefit all rather than just the heartless fatcats at the top rung. If these changes were put into effect, there'd be plenty more good paying jobs in this country, & noone would have to compete with immigrants for unskilled jobs.

To be fair, Americans, in general, can't compete with immigrants in terms of work ethics. Try this experiment:
Hire three typical American youngsters to dig a trench on a hillside. Give them a few picks & shovels, & see how they progress. Hire three Mexican immigrants to dig an identical trench on the other side of the hill. Odds are they'll be done in about a quarter of the time as the first crew. Not to mention the good chance you'll go back to check on the first guys & they'll be laughing & joking, leaning on their shovels & doing little comedy acts for each other. :mad:
 
I also know I'd do anything regardless of legality to feed my family.
Are you saying that you would pick fruit for $5.50 an hour to feed your kids, or are you saying that you understand the illegals picking fruit for less than minimum wage to feed their kids? If it is the latter then I understand, but disagree because if I ever had to feed my kids by working that job, I wouldn't be able to feed them very much because the illegals were willing (and sometimes compulsed) to work for that unlivable wage and made the job market nearly worthless.

I know that my last post was long and rambling, but read it and you might better see what I mean.
 
I'm saying it's hard for me to blame THEM or be mad at THEM or punish THEM.

B/C I would do the same.

It's US that needs the fixing as you said, one way or another.

Bill O'riely has some interesting ideas ?
 
If you ask me though, immigrants filling positions for toilsome jobs at low wages is a small part of the problem in the American job market. The big issues here are global outsourcing & technological innovation. A great many of our country's problems would be cleared up very quickly if our government were not in bed with business. Outsourcing should be massively curtailed. Offshore tax havens should be reigned in. Technological innovation in the production lines should benefit all rather than just the heartless fatcats at the top rung. If these changes were put into effect, there'd be plenty more good paying jobs in this country, & noone would have to compete with immigrants for unskilled jobs.
I agree with what you say on all but one point and I even agree with that but on a different degree. You said it is a small part of the problem and I agree that when you compare it to the outsourcing and pro-buisiness stance of both the majorities of republicans and democrats alike, it seems to pale in comparison....But, that is no longer the case since the magnitude of the illegal immigration problem has escalated over the years to a point where it is now a significant drain and it continues to grow. It was always a problem, but it did not place a very noticable drag on the labor wages and legal resident employment levels in the past (IMO).

Glad you brought up the technological innovation part. Someone asked what the farmers would do if their underpaid workforce was taken from them. Mechinanization could have replaced it ten years ago but was just barely not economically feasible because of the dirt cheap labor. Now I ask, how would our technological industry fare if they sold the farmers the new machinery to replace those labor market parasites? (I say parasite in reference to the action and not to the peoples who participate). Even if it was manufactured overseas, an American would still distribute it and add to the economy.

As far as the quality of work, yes the illegals would dig faster because they are still afraid of the consequences of not pleasing the foreman. In my experiences, the legal residents and naturalised citizens who were from the Southern Americas were just like the rest of us in America and leaned on the shovels too.

(did you hear about the new shovel they invented for the highway road crews? It stands up by itself :D I heard that one when I worked on a road crew)
 
KJM,
I don't care if folks are hiring illegals. It is called the FREE MARKET. I also don't mind illegals being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when they commit an actual crime and then the United States billing Mexico and whomever else for the cost of the crime, trial and incarceration.
No nation has long existed without some element of border and naturalization control. The types, and I’m not necessarily referring to race here, and amounts of people allowed to enter are obviously up for debate, and in my opinion, should change with the times. For instance, ever since WWII nazis have been restricted in their ability to immigrate to America. There is nothing wrong with that, and indeed everything right with it. The very founders of this nation believed in the concept of borders, naturalization and the right of a nation to establish controls on these elements. William Rawle said in his 1829 A View of the Constitution that, “One of the last acts of the congress under the confederation, was to recommend to the several states to pass proper laws for preventing the transportation of convicted male factors from foreign countries into the United States”. In 1833 Joseph Story, an early Supreme Court Justice and a long time supporter of Jefferson’s politics, had this to say about naturalization and the morality of laws regulating it; “The propriety of confiding the power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization to the national government seems not to have occasioned any doubt or controversy in the convention. For aught that appears on the journals, it was conceded without objection.” He also said, “It is of the deepest interest to the whole Union to know, who are entitled to enjoy the rights of citizens in each state, since they thereby, in effect, become entitled to the rights of citizens in all the states. If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges.” In the interest of brevity, I will assume that these statements establish, at the very least, that the founders of this nation believed in the concept of border and naturalization controls and furthermore that these laws are foundational to the functioning of our nation. Given this, the willful and continual violations of those controls and laws by an alien are criminal and in fact, by the very nature of their actions have established that they are not individuals of the sort that should be desired by a lawful and righteous nation. I certainly hope that America and her population are still a lawful and righteous nation.
 
Apparently given the mixed messages being sent out by the current presidential administration and the total lack of imigration violation enforcement by police departments in major south western city's. After these so-called illegals get a state drives license and a bank account there home free.
 
Ahenry,
Perhaps a quote from the declaration would help clear up how the founders felt about immigration. Apparently it was important enough to mention among 26 other "intolerable" acts:

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
I don't think Jefferson and Company felt as bitter towards immigrants as they did towards not being allowed their labor. Labor is a fact of life in a free market. Borders are important, but when the issue has become so politicized, immigration of good people wanting to work hard becomes nearly impossible. When the law becomes nearly impossible to abide by, people have a strong tendancy to break it.

I have never met all these raping, assaulting and stealing Mexicans that seem to be the only ones spoken of in these posts. I have met some of the most decent, honorable and honest people I have known. Last week I said goodbye to a dear friend who was here illegally from Mexico working as an architect. He coached our kid's soccer team and provided one of the best examples of human decency those kids are likely to run across for a long time.

That hasn't been an isolated example though in my experience. I used to work at a place where all the kitchen and grounds staff were illegals, and they too were decent people possessed of an incredible work ethic and enthusiasm for what this country had given them (albeit illegally). They mostly seem to have a strong religious and family grounding that this country could use more of.

I don't like any confiscation policies. The constitution forbids bills of attainder and I see asset forfeiture as a very thinly veiled bill of attainder. We need to make immigration by the decent easy. Once the decent folks can come via the bridges and border crossings, then we can place all the machineguns on the border that we can afford to man and I won't object one bit. If it is easy to get across legally, then I hold great suspicion against those who still try to sneak accross.

Since I was a kid (in the 1970's) people have been talking about how the country was going to Hell in a handbasket because of all these Mexicans taking our jobs and ruining our economy. I am better off now than I was back then. My friends are all better off too. My parents are enjoying a lifestyle they never dreamt of. I just don't see anything but long-term positives so far, but I guess I shouldn't depend on what I see so much as what the paranoid preach.

I just believe that most humans have value whether they're legal or not.
 
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I have never met all these raping, assaulting and stealing Mexicans that seem to be the only ones spoken of in these posts. I have met some of the most decent, honorable and honest people I have known. Last week I said goodbye to a dear friend who was here illegally from Mexico working as an architect. He coached our kid's soccer team and provided one of the best examples of human decency those kids are likely to run across for a long time.


Yes, they do exist, perhaps not on the grounds of A&M however they are here
in larger number then years past, I have traveled in Mexico and lived on the border some years and the changes have been great in what comes across.
You want to make it race however it's my mind more numbers then who.

If you really believe that we can have an open door policy and not effect
"your" lifestyle in time then 16 years of education failed.

The American taxpayer is subsidizing a slave labor force for contractors
and the wealthy, do you enjoy seeing slave labor, I guess many people
do, I however believe it is wrong because you see I also respect people
and I believe we, the Mexican government ,our government should be ashamed of allowing the slave trade to continue.

I've seen people before somewhat like your writing, "I love my maid, I love
my gardner, the guy who cuts my grass, oh my what a wonderful man, but
give him a raise, oh no he is very happy on $4-5 per hour.

Please wake up and join the real world. College station must not be it.
 
No perhaps College Station is not the real world. Neither is wherever you're living if you think laws that violate the laws of economics will ever work. It creates situations where people begin to break the law and lose all respect for the law. Maybe you can remember the silly little example called the Volstead Act?

There are jobs here that go unfilled. There are laborers there who don't have jobs. The market IS going to achieve equilibrium whether you like it or not. In the 1930's, there was liquor over there and thirsty people here. The laws only effect was to make people lose respect for the law. Perhaps our energies would be better spent electing representatives who didn't spout all the populist nonsense and instead worked to pass laws that actually worked.

Confiscatory schemes will not stop the market from acheiving equilibrium. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a single illicit drug in the country now after 35 years and billions if not trillions of dollars spent on a "war on drugs." The penalties are quite steep for getting caught with drugs- yet people still do them.

Jobs are the drugs of these immigrants. In the example I provided in the previous post- the Architect left and went back to Mexico because unlike the post-hole diggers and kitchen staffs, he could not compete with architects here. The INS and Border Patrol had nothing to do with it. He never ran into any of these LEO's. He just simply could not compete in a higher-paying field because that isn't the kind of job that goes unfilled. His skills may have been adequate in Mexico, but our building standards and other preferences made his skills irrelevant in College Station, and the United States. He had to go back to where his education would best serve him. The free market does work both ways.
 
A market economy is a wonderful thing. It adapts to changes in a most sure-footed manner. It provides a constant supply of commodity through all sorts interuptions.

That said, a market economy provides a way of adapting to the distortions imposed by a government. No where is that more clearly demonstrated than in the issue of criminal immigration. You can not ignore the attraction caused by social welfare bennies and anchor baby status. To praise hardworking criminal immigrants and ignore the slimeballs that are also criminal immigrants is to look at the world through distorted glasses. Criminal aliens are expensive. Their presence shifts costs from employers to the government (AKA taxpayers). Their continued presence will cut short any market incentive for continued automation. Continued criminal immigration will swamp the country in diseases which at one time was completely under control.

These are facts of reality. All the warm fuzzy feelings and good intentions in the world will do nothing to mitigate the effects of reality.

Now I need to offer the obligatory disclaimer. I am a suipporter of LEGAL immigration. I oppose illegal (AKA criminal) immigration.
 
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