Illegals: Should Assets and Profits Be Seized?

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Should businesses and persons who hire illegals have their assets seized to pay for the burden their illegaly hired workers have put on the infrastructure and social welfare systems?
Improper record keeping, identification check of workers, and actual non-documentation of workers are things that we could look into, also. It is clear to me that we are not really trying hard enough if we do not go after the money source the illegals are seeking. Dry that up and the incentives to provide illegals with jobs and we can have a significant reduction in the illegals motives to even come here. It even sounds like something we could get bi-partisan about, eh?
 
I'm simpleminded, but it seems those who hire in violation of law people should be treated in the same manner as those who break the law to generate income. Consistent treatment is demanded. Remove the political coverage for law breaking.

That's theoretical, now the real. I maintain that it would not take a major LE effort to stop the hiring of criminal aliens. A few high profile and low profile busts (including perp walks) followed by highly publicized trials (not plea bargains) and concluding with video of the prison shuffle will go a long way in restraining the enthusiam for criminal gain. If the hiring of legal aliens and US citizens is to expensive to compete in a world economy (bogus argument for what is essentially service sector jobs) then congress should get off our freakin' air hose. The legal US worker can not compete against third world workers with the governmental leviathian strapped to his or her back. Something has to give.
 
Insane idea

Forfeiture laws are often abused. And I don't see a big problem with illegals anyway. Many here bemoan the "tremendous" strain they impose upon our system with all their kids getting free education here, but every illegal I've ever met has left his family back home and is working hard to send money back to them.

Frankly, I find some of the attitudes here (shoot all immigrants/minorities/ drug-users) pretty darned extreme. Sickening, in fact.
 
Iron, do you see a problem with rape? Theft? Murder?

The point is the word "ILLEGAL." It means against the law, in case you need that pointed out to you. I, for one, am for the enforcement of our laws. It undermines our entire legal and justice system if people aren't punished for breaking the law.

As an aside, I find YOUR attitude sickening. This IS a real problem; a real cancer in our country. The thumb-suckers need to stop thinking of it as a racial thing or a mean-hearted thing.
 
laws vs ethics

tj,

You don't seriously assume that because I have no issues with poor people (struggling to put food on their families' tables) that I condone such violence, do you? That's really quite an absurd leap of logic. :rolleyes:

As for being outraged it my lack of outrage, whatever. Also pretty absurd.

I tend to rely more on my own ethics before the law. IMO, many laws are unjust, and many unethical deeds are legal.

To assume righteousness in the law is foolishness. Laws should be questioned & evaluated on a case by case basis rather than treated as religious doctrine.
 
As an aside, I find YOUR attitude sickening. This IS a real problem; a real cancer in our country.
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RICO laws are an abomination. They were created to fight mob racketeering, but they were quickly applied to everything and anything, including seizing old folks' houses because grandson was dealing pot out of the basement without their knowledge, or confiscating cash from travelers without charging anyone with a crime. They are widely abused, and almost never used as intended when they were written.

The abuse of asset forfeiture laws and the resulting dent in civil liberties have caused far more damage to this country than any illegal immigration ever could.

You will change your tune if you get the laws you want, and a relative or friend of yours loses their business and life savings because they couldn't detect a forged Green Card....

It undermines our entire legal and justice system if people aren't punished for breaking the law.
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Hiring illegals is already against the law. The problem is lack of government enforcement. The answer is not to make a new law that gives the government financial incentive to enforce it. The result would be self-serving revenue generation under the guise of yet another Righteous War On Something.
 
OK, First Freedom. "In order to reduce or even eliminate the need for armed patrols of Minutemen to monitor illegals..." There is your context.

Iron Geek - I respect your concern. Hence, my non-confrontational suggestion.
 
Unique, sorry. My sentiments were carried over from another thread of "just shoot'em all,"-type rhetoric. Didn't mean to direct that at you, and yours is not the attitude that offends me. Still, I think the forfeiture idea would quickly lead to the folly of good people.
 
Here's a good question . Suppose the guy that takes care of the lawn and garden shows up with 2 or 3 helpers . Am I allowed to demand proof that his help (and him for that fact) are legal ???
 
Uniq, it's a stretch, but OK, I'll buy that. :) Marko is exactly correct, however, about forfeiture laws. Any law that CAN be abused, WILL be abused.
 
Wow! Should General Motor's Assets be seized because their vehicles cause carnage of untold magnatude on our highways?

Should Gun manufacturers be liable because their products are misused and kill the innocent?

Should we have any rights to life, liberty or property? I mean really- so long as you don't have anything to hide, what good are these? They're just hiding places for illegal activities.

My car's registration is expired. Since I am on the road illegally today, should the county come and take my vehicle to pay for the additional wear and tear I place on the highways? I don't plan on registering until early next week.

At what point does the constitution and the PRINCIPLES it protects and establishes need to be destroyed.

I don't care if folks are hiring illegals. It is called the FREE MARKET. I also don't mind illegals being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when they commit an actual crime and then the United States billing Mexico and whomever else for the cost of the crime, trial and incarceration.
 
It strikes me that an awful lot is said about the "impact" of illegals in the US without any documentation or numbers to demonstrate what that is.


I think illegal workers are tolerated in alot of places because everyone in that area knows that they are the only way of bringing in a crop for a competitive price. While the "illegal's rights groups" attract the press, the people actually responsible for border hopping are the farmers and other employers that provide the jobs.

I think the only relevent question is: How are we going to make those industries continue to function profitably without illegal immigrants?

Once we answer the above question the rest falls into place. If no one wanted to hire illegals, they wouldn't have jobs to come north for. Building fences and increasing punishments misses the problem, IMO.
 
Paratrooper - Of course you are! You are contracting him to work on YOUR land. He can decline.
Now, here is the big question:
If he declines, will you then not give them the work and contract somebody who WILL prove nobody is illegal?
 
KJM - Nice bundle of irrelevant examples from the lawful manufacture of cars and guns. Try using an example where there has been actual illegal activity under today's laws, you know, like my example.
Here's one:
Should GM or Colt have to pay us money or profits from using illegal alien workers who are legally banned from working in our FREE MARKET?
 
...legally banned from working in our FREE MARKET?
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Do I even need to point out the fallacy of the above statement?

The more I read these kinds of threads, the more I am convinced that the biggest threat to freedom aren't Muslims, Jews, liberals, or olive-skinned people picking American produce for $5 an hour.

The biggets threat to freedom are the huge number of people who want the government off their backs...but who have a huge and overwhelming desire to use the Big Government Hammer to eliminate freedoms they don't like.
 
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