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People don't want to be near an area where there's violent crime happening almost every night.(or day).
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That can be said of any place. They also don't want to live where the job market has dropped off. Nor do they want to live where the city is old and run down.
 
"That can be said of any place."
I think you just contradicted yourself. And I still stand with my statement that the crime in the Q.C. is on the rise, significantly. And I'm sure you're going to stay with yours. No sense of going off the subject of this thread.

Back to your original question, Dayooper. The likelyhood of Ill. passing a CCW is when hell freezes over.
 
And I still stand with my statement that the crime in the Q.C. is on the rise,
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Crime in IL has generally been on the rise, depending on the category, and not just in the QC. That is why I referred you to UCR. Had you actually looked at it you would have known that. But even so, the QC still does not come close to Chicagoland for crime rates. Everyone thinks their backyard is the worst ever place for crime. Sorry, but just isn't the case.
And no, I didn't contradict myself. Your thoughts just go to reenforce what I wrote that everyone thinks their own backyard is the worse. There are dozens upon dozens of communities who like to say they have the worst crack problem in the nation when the stats just don't show it.
 
Actually, I did read the UCR. [Edited] I never argued at all on the rise in crime in Ill or Chicago. My point is Chicago has pop. in the millions, Q.C. has a few hundred thousand. The geographic area is much larger, too. So you have to have proportions in play to compare.
The UCR does nothing to support your case. Just because it "doesn't clock in the UCR" doesn't mean the crime rate is small. They only list a sample of cities high crime or not. They don't even list the Iowa side of the Q.C. So, for you to refer the UCR is useless.
I never did say that my "backyard was the worst". [Edited]
Yes, you did contradict yourself. Macomb with very little crime, then about crime on a daily basis, "that can be said about any place". Sounds two sided to me.
Stats can be skewed any way people want them to read. You keep bringing up general stats. I state real world experience.
 
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Besides, coming to the Q.C. area about once a month doesn't really qualify you to know what really goes on here.
Also, you have to ask where WIU is? Then you state you know the area "extremely well"? A small town with a university and you had to ask where WIU is located? That's like me knowing Ann Arbor, MI and I ask where UofM is.
Just because there's no stats, doesn't mean crime is committed.
And one more thing: I don't think DaYooper owes you any kind of apology. After the derogatory remarks you made of his gf, I think you owe him one. Do you attend the university that you had to ask where it is? Do you know what is currently going on in the dorms and surrounding areas?
 
I also didn't state that we have the worst crack problem in the nation. Actually, I never even used the word "worst".
Come to think of it: My mistake. Rock Island has the highest number of plumbers living there, according to the Q.C. Times.:rolleyes: That's what it is. I should have believed the stats.
 
My point is Chicago has pop. in the millions, Q.C. has a few hundred thousand. The geographic area is much larger, too. So you have to have proportions in play to compare.
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If you understood UCR rates then you would know it's "rates" and figures on a per capita basis.

They only list a sample of cities high crime or not.
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Then you're not reading the UCR report as the UCR report doesn't list "sample" cities.

Macomb with very little crime, then about crime on a daily basis, "that can be said about any place". Sounds two sided to me.
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Sounds like this may be a bit difficult for you to follow along. My response of "That can be said of any place. " was in your post of "People don't want to be near an area where there's violent crime happening almost every night.(or day)." I also explained "They also don't want to live where the job market has dropped off. Nor do they want to live where the city is old and run down." That's what you get in the QC.
A lot of people think their city is the worst for whatever crime compared to others. An example is the OP posting the claim that Macomb was a mini-Chicago.

Stats can be skewed any way people want them to read. You keep bringing up general stats. I state real world experience.
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Since you didn't read the stats, claiming they only showed "sample cities" your argument doesn't really hold any water. As far as real world experience, please explain. I've worked the streets in the QC, made a lot of criminal cases, and taken quite a few to jail. So real world experience? Yup, BTDT in the QC. Seen it up close and personal.
And your real world experience? Reading the paper?

Besides, coming to the Q.C. area about once a month doesn't really qualify you to know what really goes on here.
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My response of about once a month was in reply to your comment about not being there lately. "Lately" I get to the QC about once a month. Wasn't too long ago I worked in the area quite a bit.


Also, you have to ask where WIU is? Then you state you know the area "extremely well"? A small town with a university and you had to ask where WIU is located?
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The OP just mentioned is gf went to WIU. He didn't indicate which state, only WIU. That's why I asked him to clarify which WIU. Just "WIU" does not automatically assume Western IL U. I patrolled Macomb area for 2.5 yrs, spent a lot of time there before I worked there and have spent a lot of time since. So yeah, I do know the area very well.

That's like me knowing Ann Arbor, MI and I ask where UofM is.
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So you assume that every UofM is in Ann Arbor? What about the U of Missouri?

Do you attend the university that you had to ask where it is? Do you know what is currently going on in the dorms and surrounding areas?
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If you want to know about me you can read my profile.
 
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Ok gents, let please just take a breath and calm down here. I'd have weighed in but I had to move back up to the U.P. for spring semester and didn't have internet for a day.

Thanks for the backup tuttle8, I do appreciate it. And while you are right about his comments regarding my g/f, I'm not terribly worried about it. She and I have both been called worse, and having someone tell me she must be naive is not anything to cry over.

ISP2605, ok, you've made your point about my original post regarding Macomb. You called me on my comments, and I retracted. Let's please just play nice here, eh?

I'll weigh in more once I check out those UCR stats, but tuttle8 is right that statistics can be made to look supportive of any side of an issue except in extremely skewed situations. So while they are useful, don't forget that real world experience is still a valuable asset to have when judging an area or situation.
 
I'll weigh in more once I check out those UCR stats, but tuttle8 is right that statistics can be made to look supportive of any side of an issue except in extremely skewed situations. So while they are useful, don't forget that real world experience is still a valuable asset to have when judging an area or situation.
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Do you even know what UCR is and where those stats come from? Sure doesn't sound like it.
You want real world experience? I worked a lot of criminal cases in the QC, worked quite a bit of undercover cases, and took a lot of people to jail in that area. Also worked a lot of cases in the Chicagoland area and E St Louis. Also commanded statewide R&D for a while studying crime stats. Is that the kind of "real world" you're talking about?
 
UCR only showed 2 cities, and about a half a dozen in Illinios. Sample cities. Don't care where the stats are from. Read my previous post.
Real world. Seen the action. Not the end result of the action.
 
You're right, DaYooper. Time to take a breath. I'm out. :eek: :barf: It stinks to high heaven here, I don't have my boots on, and I like FRESH air.
Take care, DaYooper. See you in another thread I hope.
 
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