If I find out there is a connection between Oklahoma City, McVeigh and Al Qada....

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Jamie Young

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I heard this months ago and just laughed at it as another goof-ball conspiracy theory. Has anyone else been hearing about this? A very credible Philadelphia talk show host Michael Smirconish, recently brought the subject up and some of the discussion shocked me.

If the Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist attack by Iraq, or Bin Laden, why did gun owners bare the brunt of the blame? I seriously wonder if it was a complete act of "cowardice" by our former President because he was so afraid of going to War.

If it comes out that Janet Reno or Clintons administration knew this why I'm gonna................................:mad:

If any of you haven't heard this, I'm sure you going to laugh at first. But it actually looks like a conspiracy theory with legs.

McVeigh obviously was a Gulf War vet that hated America. Could have been a modern day Benedict Arnold? FWIW WorldNetDaily is running a story about some of it.
 
I don't think McVeigh hated America, but I do think he hated the government. BIG difference in my book.

And I've seen a couple of references here and there along these lines, too.
 
I don't think McVeigh hated America, but I do think he hated the government.
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If McViegh was such a super-patriot, why didn't he speak up and say "Yeah! I did it, here is why..."

One direct connection between McPukebag and the death-cult nuts is sheer, unadulterated, cowardice. Another is that they will share the same pit in hell.

And whatshisname, Jose Jihad the "dirty bomb" suspect looks exactly like John Doe #2.

Human rats flock together. That's why you have to
 
Someone suggested...

...that McVeigh's sister might have qualified as a co-conspirator and that his deal to exonnerate her was to hush-up and die.

A real stretch or really plausable??? With Bill, Hill and Jannie, you decide.
 
McVeigh was very proud of what he had done. His quick capture following the bombing due to a simple traffic stop that he could have easily avoided shows to me he wanted to get caught and show the world who had struck this major blow to the "government."

Due to his ego, I think he would have told of his connections to an international organization if he had been part of one. I also think if he had international contacts, he would have had access to a wide assortment of explosives that would have caused greater damage than his homemade bomb.
 
McVeigh was very proud of what he had done.
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Due to his ego, I think he would have told of his connections to an international organization if he had been part of one.
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The same ego that had him shouting from the rooftops that he was the one that blew up OKC.:rolleyes:
I also think if he had international contacts, he would have had access to a wide assortment of explosives that would have caused greater damage than his homemade bomb.
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They are death-cult nuts, not rocket scientists. Shoeless Joe Jihad tried to light his frigging shoes on fire for God's sake.:rolleyes:
 
Mc Veigh was sore at the Army because he washed out of SF training. He spent too much time reading the "Turner Diaries".

I seriously doubt that he would have anything to do with people he would have called "Ragheads".

More black helicopter stories!
 
Eh, I dunno. Color me skeptical -- I've never been a big fan of conspiracy theories. But it seems as if this particular theory rests solely on some motel guy's memory from almost a year ago.

As far as the Clintons playing a part in OKC, I don't buy it. I'm no Clinton apologist, but come on. If one were to believe that Bill Clinton (or one of his associates) were involved in OKC because he didn't go to war, wouldn't one also believe that Bush (or one of his associates) was involved in 9/11 because he wanted to be popular?
 
It's always hard to wade throught the misinformation passed out by the media. I remember the bomb going from being a "fertilizer bomb" to being made from cow manure. With such idiots providing info for mass consumption, no wonder there is such confusion on everything.

-A.N. is a very, very powerful explosive. There are two classes of explosives, fast and slow. Fast can crack rocks, slow can toss them for miles. Two different forms of "power". If you want to crack a huge rock and then dig it away, you use dynamite. If you want it to land a block away, you put A.N. down on top of the dynamite.

There is tons of evidence that points to at least one "middle east" connection to the bombing and also a lot of evidence that the gov't new about the plan. However, the simplest story is likely the right one. Another possibility is that the ATF wanted to arrest him in the middle of the act and then they screwed up. The screw up then being swept under the rug.

We'll never know. However, a mistake by ATF and or a Middle East connection don't take away any of the blame from McVeigh.

Agreeing with many of his thoughts on our gov't doesn't make you a bad person either. McVeigh acted outside of legal channels before necessary. He also targeted those only of marginal guilt and killed a great many innocent. That makes him willing to act, but too chicken of getting caught to target real guilt. -Did he want to get caught, I doubt anyone ever does. That's just nutty psychology.
 
Soldier of Fortune has done some great investigative reporting on this, and other questionable things related to the OKC bombing. Too much stuff to relate here. Short of it is, backing by nazi types is suspected, with an Iraqi agent seen at the home base of these white supremecists.
 
In general, conspiracies describe what stupidity already explains.

I doubt that McVeigh was a direct agent of Al Qada (sp?), Iraq, or anything like that. All the evidence suggests that he was indeed the stereotypical white-trash, far-right nutjob that we think he was.

It is possible that an agent of some hostile foreign power aided and/or manipulated McVeigh, without McVeigh knowing their true mission. That's more in line with how good human intelligence is accomplished anyway. You think the CIA just walked around Red Square telling people they were CIA agents trying to steal plans for the MIG-28 FOXHOUND? :p

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If you were an agent of a hostile foreign power, and your job was to support home-grown American terrorists, where would you look? Assuming you were smart enough to watch the local media, your attention would be focused on the "lunatic fringe" of the American right-wing: milita groups, neo-Nazis, Skinheads, abortion clinic bombers and the like. Since far-left terrorism gets about zero coverage in the U.S., as a foreigner you realistically wouldn't have any reason to be looking at those groups.

This being the case, you would be in kind of a bind, because these are exactly the type of people that wouldn't want to have anything to do with an "A-rab rag-head sand *&#$@^!" But you are taking the long view: anything that kills Americans and causes trouble generally serves your mission of subversion. So what do you do? You provide anonymous support, support by proxy to the most promising individuals you come into (mainly indirect) contact with. Most of these will be dead ends, all-talk-no-action losers, and so on. But you only need to be on the ball once.

The American "far right" is almost certainly not in direct cahoots with hostile foreign powers. But their craziest offshoots might be supported and guided by those powers, and not even know it. I'd go as far as to say that the likes of Al-Qada would be fools to not do just that.
 
Castle, that was the detail that I left out of my post. From what I've read, the info you posted is at least 1/2 likely to have occured.

What's so strange is that it was never investigated. If there was an ATF screw up re nabbing him in the act, then they probably just wanted to execute McVeigh as quick as possible and move forward. If that's true, then I can't say it was so wrong. As long as they learn from any blunders and quietly fire a couple people and change for the better in the future.

I can see the rationale for setting up a drug sting or smuggling sting or whatever and catch them in the act so that you snag all the people possible and with as tight a case as you can. However, when deaths of innocents are involved, it is more important to just put a stop to the crime.
 
And just to make everyone happy and feeling warm and fuzzy.

Haven't checked up yet on the results but the Federal Govt. is fighting in court down in OKC to keep the public from looking at all of the surveillance videos from that area on that day.
Supposedly they show the arrival of the truck and show who all got out.

If they did not have anything to hide why are they not letting anyone see these videos??

Best guess is that Fed's were trying for another publicty stunt like they tried in Waco and like in Waco they bungled it or McVeigh was smarter than them.
 
Don't assume that the neo-nazis view the Arabs the same way they view American blacks. There were some connections between the Arabs and Nazis in WWII. It is explained by the political truism that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". In this case the common enemy are Jews.
 
hey there were some connections between jewish zionist groups and the nazi's in ww2..........

but one should remember that historically al-Qaeda has been more of a funding operation for other terrorist groups, rather than a terrorist group in the classical black september / RAF / Direct Action / Red Brigades mould, so its not inconcievable that they supplied funding or other support to groups within the US that had short term goals that coincided with their own
 
I read that:
- There was not a single ATF person in the building, yet I think they had a whole floor or two.
- There were fire trucks waiting in the alley accross the street.
- Something about McVeigh not driving the truck, but got in it and parked it.
- That there was one or two other cars.
- That they got lost on the way over and came up the street from the wrong direction.
* The part about getting lost and driving in circles could be where surveilance lost them.

* The really bad one is that there is some real possibility that it was allowed to happen.... I'm trying to figure that no one could be that bad and that it was a bungled job of nabbing them in the commision.

But, hot on the heals of Ruby Ridge and Waco, you never know...
 
American right-wing: milita groups, neo-Nazis
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I never understood how the "National Socialist" or Nazi party became "right wing?" I thought "Socialists" were "left wing?"

There were some connections between the Arabs and Nazis in WWII.
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I think Arafat is the grandson of a Nazi sympathizing Grandpop. Hitler was heading towards Egypt and had allies in the region.
 
Sodapop,

Go far enough left and you meet somebody going as far to the right. Diagram what the extreme left stands for and you'll see it's the same as what the extreme right stands for.
 
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