I'd say Ms. Magazine folks can be reasoned with

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Oleg Volk

Staff Alumnus
Oleg, you are doing a fantastic debating job over there. Your girlfriend should be concerned, since I think some of the kind women at MS are taking a bit of a shine to you ... ;)

All kidding aside, great work, really.
 
Jeff, you beat me to it.

Oleg, you're just a wonder. You're a great "annoying missionary". Keep up the fantastic work.

If you're ever in Atlanta, give me a heads up in advance. Dinner and a range trip are on me.

JimR
 
Ack, it's tough maintaing my cool in that forum. I love hearing a woman's side of things but many of the women there can't be reasoned with. Many will not budge even if they are wrong. However, many of the women at Ms are very sociable and professional.
 
You and a couple of recent members are doing a pretty good job for a bunch of misogynist, pot-bellies, camo-clad, wife-beating, drunk, lying, racist, ugly muderous savages that you are suppose to be :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
I just returned from the msmagazine board.

WAY TO GO OLEG & ALL. :)

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
Hell, I don't need to keep my shotgun in my bedroom then since it's my defensive home weapon. I'll leave it on the front doorstep with a sign that says "Use it on me!"
 
From your comments it sounds as if your fiance is the real home defense unit around your place. I bet that if she showed up with a SAW in her hands, any intruders would expire from fright before .223 even got to them :)

I know that retarded "own gun used on you" argument...guess we can point them to retention training AND carrying a backup.
 
hahaha Oleg you definitely judged her right! Her fav weapon in the service was the SAW.
Civilian wise, she likes my H&K MP5. Her defensive pistol is a Glock 30 (yuck IMO).
 
Hey guys,

Oleg’s link at the top to Ms. magazine is certainly fertile ground for discussion. Check it out. He and others from TFL have been doing a great job.

Skyhawk
 
Glock 30 is a bit thick for carry, IMO. However, it recoils softly and I have seen remarkable feats of aimed rapid fire performed with it. MP5 is no slouch...though when I brought this up with friends one of the ladies snorted and said something about 3" 12ga buck being effective and, more importantly, fun to use. So much for the fragile female image...
 
Oleg, thanks for the link. Your are being polite and winsome. I'm impressed with your self control while being attacked. There is a saying, "people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." I think people at that site can sense that in you when you do not return evil for evil.
 
As I mentioned, I have had plenty of practice with similar (if better articulated) views at home. I no longer get angry. I did get angry about this issue once when a friends made a very strong anti statement and the intensity of the emotion scared me very badly. Can't do that: a fifteen-second anger flash was draining enough.
And you are correct, I am concerned; more about the damage that ignorant people can do to me and mine than about them but the side effect of my efforts might well be very beneficial to the current fence-sitters. I hope so, anyway.

Ironically, when I was angry I had my choice of about fifteen guns of a wide variety. Did I grab one? No. I calmed myself down and apologized for getting emotional in what was supposed to be a friendly argument.

Must be growing old and un-manly...

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Oleg "cornered rat" Volk (JPFO,NRA)

http://dd-b.net/RKBA
 
I have read the some of the other links on their page, want to hit a weak link, say something to the fact about taking abortion's away, I could be wrong but they are as defensive to abortion being taken away as we are to our guns.

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I am more than happy to turn my gun's in, Bullets first
 
Glockguy that's true! They are definitely pro-choice. We have to honor their decision about that... if you are pro-life, it's hard not to say something but to help the pro-gun cause, there's no need to piss them off anymore. You might completely lose them.

Oleg,
I don't know how you have managed so far. After 23 posts there in one day, I'm exhausted haha.. keep up the great work!
 
Glockguy45 "I could be wrong but they are as defensive to abortion being taken away as we are to our guns" Some truth there, I substituted personal responsibility and choice for abortion - they still don't get it. I made a few posts at msmagazine but I guess I don't have the stamina for wasting my time the way I used to. Ive trudged through the process of "educating" a few girlfriends of mine but it is a long and arduous process, and I'm still not convinced they will ever really understand it - until that nasty situation confronts them and forces them to. I went to the spirit section of the boards, left a poem for em and left. My respect to you guys that have the patience to stay with it.

Ooops! almost forgot, not just the patience of you guys but, you girls - thats YOU Miss D, great job!

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I checked out the link as well. Keep up the good work and remember to keep your cool like Oleg and others have said. Bringing in the facts also helps as well as "elissa" seems to be obsessed with whatever numbers support her line of thinking.

You have to remember that sometimes people don't want to see/hear the truth; it shatters their little microcosm.
 
Oleg, you are the Henry Kissinger of the TFL Group! Excellent diplomatic skills!! If you ever happen to be in Baltimore, MD do drop me an e-mail and dinner is on me.
 
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