"I'd rather be caught with it than caught without it."

My question is, how many carried while under the age of 21?

I personally think its BS that Uncle Sam can give someone an m16 and say die for your country, yet they can keep them from owning a personal weapon and say die for a politicians stupidity.

-Max
 
Thanks a lot guys,

I floated the "Ryder not a Ruger line" to him. I hope it makes a difference. I know he already knows it anyways.

I really appreciate the honesty,

Dan
 
I think we are in agreement then...

Well KUHIO, I owe you an apology. I totally missed your point there.

Living in southern california, I'm just sick and tired of all of the laws and restrictions on our lives. It gets harder every year to tell the "abused by the law" types from the "need to stroke my own ego by pulling a gun Hollywood style" types.

I saw on this site a while back, someone telling us that everyone thinking Obama is going to take our guns is a crazed, panic prone doof. We still live under the assault weapons ban of the '90s here. While the rest of the country enjoys one version of the 2nd, we know better than most what is coming for the rest of you. We live it every day.

I know a guy that has a felony record because an illegal search turned up a couple of ar-15's. Now he can't own a gun, move, or breathe with out a P.O. breathing down his neck. This guy's story touches a nerve, and I don't mean to take it out on anyone, but those of you who don't think this could happen to you...

I think anyone who needs to pull a gun that many times, might be looking for it. But maybe, just maybe, he can't change his location because he can't change his economic situation. It would be hard to get a decent job with a felony in your past.

I just think when we jump to judge a "felon", we should all remember how easy it is to gain that status. Especially in the most "liberal" state in the union. We might be "good guys", but we are all ONE mistake from being awarded that title.

Quote: California, the only state with the Russian bear and the Chinese star right on the flag.
 
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I can not iminage your buddy having to draw at least 10 times. There must be more to this.
The only times I've had to draw was when I was in le other than practice of course. IMHO your buddy needs a new lifestyle or to relocate.
 
I have been in LE for 13 years and have drawn my gun less than 10 times, never used it. My father retired from NYPD after 31 years, including 11 years in ESU and never used his gun either. This guy has drawn his gun 10 times and never used it. He must live in Baghdad.
 
He is a lawbreaker. If its that bad why in the hell would you not move your family out of there. Dont tell me you cant move as you can. Alaska is a can carry state so there is no reason not to get a permit. If he is has a criminal background then he should not have one and again should be locked up if he is carrying a gun. If its that bad move. You can move if its that important. It may not be easy but life is not easy.
 
blanket laws in a bureaucracy are just excuses to take thought, reason, and personal accountability out of the legal system.

a person who rapes children loses the same rights as someone who's crooked accountant botched their taxes.
they are both branded criminals with no differentiation.

just because it is written in our laws do not make it right or just.
a person who's only argument is "but it's against the law" or "but, he's a criminal", is a person who cannot find logic or reason themselves, so they must fall back on a generic and pointless blanket statement.

not all laws should be followed imo.
and given the choice between being able to protect my family or the possibility of going to jail... i'd have to say, it would be a tough choice for me.....

having said that, someone who has had to pull their weapon out so often has obviously shown their attraction to confrontation and their unwillingness to avoid it at all costs.
i've never had to draw my weapon, and if i have it my way, i never will.
 
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You say he lives in a really bad neighborhood. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the 10+ times he drew the weapon were completely warranted. If that is the case, and his situation is that bad, I would say continue carrying. Yes it may be illegal. Yes he may go to jail. Every situation is different and if he has to use the gun in self defense he may or may not go to jail. Depending on the circumstances it could all come down to whether or not the responding officer(s) are having a good day or not.

I know of a few different scenarios where convicted felons on parole (not legally able to even be around firearms) have used a firearm that they kept in self defense and were not convicted of anything. This is because some states have "the lesser of two evils" laws on the books. Basically they say you can commit a crime if you are defending yourself against or stopping a far worse crime.

If he was just walking down the street and for some reason LE found him to be CCing he would probably go to jail. If he stumbled across someone trying to rape/kill a 10 year old girl and he put a stop to it with the firearm, in many places the LE wouldn't even run the serial numbers on the weapon.

Unfortunately this doesn't apply to everyone or every place. I've also seen senarios where people were perfectly legal in their actions and they were convicted to 10 years in prison. If I were in the shoes you described, I would carry. That's just my $.02
 
Let's turn this argument on it's head.
IF he's drawn ten times, and he's not been put in jail, he IS in a really bad area, and, the people he drew on where so bad, and up to no good, that they never reported it to the police. THAT is a bunch of REALLY bad people, and, certain areas are like that. If I have to pull a gun, I have little doubt that I'll end up in jail.

Given that he's drawn ten times, and, from all indications, those 10 times were justified self-defense, and, prevented, assault, robbery, or a violent crime, how can anyone say this person shouldn't carry?

We should be saying that the government has to allow felons rights as well. Once you've done your time, you should have full rights back. You already have the cross to bear of having a felony on your record. That makes existence much more difficult, already. Done your time, that should be it...
 
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