I think I want a new CCW

HK has the reputation for not breaking, but parts are much more expensive than for the CZ.
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Where are you getting your HK parts?? Brownells and HK service have parts for almost half what other places sell them for. I just bought the light FPBS for my P30LS and it was $3.99. Shipping was double the part LOL. So I bought some other springs because they were only $3.99 also just to have. Even the P30 recoil spring assembly is only $57 at Brownells. That still may sound like a lot but that part is engineered for a minimum life of 25,000 rounds.

I like my CZ a lot but for long term reliability and durability I will go with one of my HKs every day. For most people it is not the price of a part that is a concern anyway. The concern is not having your weapon available when you need it.
 
Well, I'm stuck. I know I can make any one of those three work; and I've got a good idea what the most practical solution is; but even though the USP is the most expensive/least practical solution, I really like that result of just drilling holes where I want them to appear (once I get over its awkward pointing and not being able to hit the mag or slide release with my thumb).

Are there any other suggestions out there for high volume shooters?

P.S. Tried a P30. Not fond of that trigger at all (factory DA/SA). Points a lot more naturally than the USP, though oddly enough I was less accurate with it than any other pistol mentioned.

Practically, it is either the Glock 19 or M&P. I really like the tank-like durability and reliability of the USP and the great accuracy. Wish it didn't have so many negatives in the ergonomics department.
 
Glock: "look at him. I can't believe he has to think about it."

Ms. Glock: "Pfft...I know. What a loser, hahahaha!"

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P.S. Tried a P30. Not fond of that trigger at all (factory DA/SA)
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Agree that the heavy factory DA pull on the P30 V3 trigger frankly kinda sux. Mine wasn't great when it was new but it's gotten better since I've had it.

But this afternoon, I was dry-firing a P2000 with a V3 DA/SA trigger at Cabelas and I couldn't believe how nice the DA and SA triggerpull on this gun was! Much better than my P30! It's a shame it was a .40S&W when I want a 9mm. The lugnut counter guy wouldn't even check to see if I could order a 9mm P2000 V2 LEM trigger.

Doesn't hurt a little to go pull the trigger on a few P2000's at your LGS, you might get lucky & find a counter jockey who actually has a clue about HK P-Guns!
 
In the USP you can get both of the desired trigger systems. And the LEM requires a long-ish release of the trigger after each, just like a BHP. You'll feel right at home :D

For many (perhaps all) of the polymer H&K pistols, by which I mean those using the paddle for releasing the magazine, you can buy a larger paddle from H&K. I think it is the same part for all of those. It makes a difference for using the thumb to release. I just twist the pistol in my firing hand the same as I do with a 1911 and many others. Then the thumb pushes down instead of straight sideways. As they say, "works for me".

If you are looking at the Glock 19, be sure to consider the Gen4 version. The new recoil spring makes it even nicer to shoot and the new grip shape makes it better for us 1911 lovers. I bought the first one I actually got to hold and very much like that pistol, and didn't install any of the 4 add-on grip panels. It was just right without them.

Bart Noir
 
Although I can shoot a Hi-Power well (and fast), I won't miss that long, soft reset. My speed shooting strategy is basically to just slap that trigger like it owes me money :D

All of the pistols are a noticeable improvement over that, though I liked the M&P best.
 
My handling of CZ pistols showed me that the Omega trigger is a better one than the regular trigger setup. Shorter pull, lighter, crisper, that sort of thing.

I seem to remember there was some downside to the Omega trigger, but I am not sure what it was. It may be that it is not offered with a decocking mode, which I really like in a DA/SA hammer gun. Some CZ models have a frame-mounted safety which also decocks.

But if you want to carry cocked and locked, that should not matter.

I guess as a CC gun the AR pistol is just too large for Bartholomew :p

Bart Noir
 
Bart Noir said:
My handling of CZ pistols showed me that the Omega trigger is a better one than the regular trigger setup. Shorter pull, lighter, crisper, that sort of thing.



I seem to remember there was some downside to the Omega trigger, but I am not sure what it was. It may be that it is not offered with a decocking mode, which I really like in a DA/SA hammer gun. Some CZ models have a frame-mounted safety which also decocks.



But if you want to carry cocked and locked, that should not matter.



I guess as a CC gun the AR pistol is just too large for Bartholomew :p



Bart Noir
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Actually a big selling point of the Omega trigger on the P-07 and P-09 is that the user can swap between decocker and safety. It comes with the conversion parts (some of the P-07 Duty models only came with one or the other). I remember hearing at some point that the downside to the Omega was that while it was better than the stock trigger pull, it couldn't be tuned quite as nicely as the stock trigger, but I haven't tried that personally.
 
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JDBerg said:
Agree that the heavy factory DA pull on the P30 V3 trigger frankly kinda sux. Mine wasn't great when it was new but it's gotten better since I've had it.



But this afternoon, I was dry-firing a P2000 with a V3 DA/SA trigger at Cabelas and I couldn't believe how nice the DA and SA triggerpull on this gun was! Much better than my P30! It's a shame it was a .40S&W when I want a 9mm. The lugnut counter guy wouldn't even check to see if I could order a 9mm P2000 V2 LEM trigger.



Doesn't hurt a little to go pull the trigger on a few P2000's at your LGS, you might get lucky & find a counter jockey who actually has a clue about HK P-Guns!
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I always felt the same about the P2000s and P30s I owned. The P2000 can be had new for low $600 these days. It also uses USP Compact magazines that you can find on CDNN at times for $20. Compared to the magazine prices of other HK pistols that's a bargain.
 
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