I never go to the bank.....
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campbellcj
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FWIW, I have used the ATM at all possible opportunities for many years, as opposed to actually entering the branch. I have not had much trouble with other bank customers or surrounding denizens but bank tellers are another story. Many banks around here have drive-thru ATM's as well.
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I think its proponents should test it first. And then report back to see how much it cost to explain that to the Judge. But wait! Isn't that a disclaimer I see at the end. Darn! Perhaps they're not too sure themselves.
As for me, I always wanted to go hunting in a Federal facility. It's a dream of mine. Especially in a post office. Lots of game there. Wabbits? Wacky, wascally wabbits.
I think its proponents should test it first. And then report back to see how much it cost to explain that to the Judge. But wait! Isn't that a disclaimer I see at the end. Darn! Perhaps they're not too sure themselves.
As for me, I always wanted to go hunting in a Federal facility. It's a dream of mine. Especially in a post office. Lots of game there. Wabbits? Wacky, wascally wabbits.
Eisande:
What if the person you communicate the fact that you're armed to is the robbers backup? Sometimes robbers have a hold-out man for just this sort of situation. You might find yourself getting shot in the back by the person you thought was backing you up!
Unless you know this person, assume they're with the robber.
Also, you could end up making a big FUBAR of the thing if you pull out a gun. Most robbers leave without hurting anyone, using the gun as intimidation. But, if threatened, they'll use it. Someone pulling a gun out on them is threatening.
Maybe there's only one robber. Maybe there's another you don't see just outside the door. Maybe the person on the floor next to you is a hold-out. A lot of maybe's that could get others killed.
I, for one, would be happy if you let the guy get out the door with the money and let the FBI deal with him, when they can take him by surprise and unarmed, rather than you surprising him when he's armed and I'm stuck in the same room with him and you while you two (or more) are shooting it out.
You, or anyone else considering a shootout in a bank, who is or isn't a police officer, even with SWAT backup hidden inside the bank.
Jehzsa:
Careful...DHS might consider that a 'Terrorist' threat.
What if the person you communicate the fact that you're armed to is the robbers backup? Sometimes robbers have a hold-out man for just this sort of situation. You might find yourself getting shot in the back by the person you thought was backing you up!
Unless you know this person, assume they're with the robber.
Also, you could end up making a big FUBAR of the thing if you pull out a gun. Most robbers leave without hurting anyone, using the gun as intimidation. But, if threatened, they'll use it. Someone pulling a gun out on them is threatening.
Maybe there's only one robber. Maybe there's another you don't see just outside the door. Maybe the person on the floor next to you is a hold-out. A lot of maybe's that could get others killed.
I, for one, would be happy if you let the guy get out the door with the money and let the FBI deal with him, when they can take him by surprise and unarmed, rather than you surprising him when he's armed and I'm stuck in the same room with him and you while you two (or more) are shooting it out.
You, or anyone else considering a shootout in a bank, who is or isn't a police officer, even with SWAT backup hidden inside the bank.
Jehzsa:
Careful...DHS might consider that a 'Terrorist' threat.
"Jehzsa:
Careful...DHS might consider that a 'Terrorist' threat. "
Nawww, they know better than that. Then again, who knows, perhaps they don't. Well, not really. Memories of my 80 year old mother being subjected to a closer inspection than me at the airport doesn't quite cut it in the 'wow, I feel so safe and secure' department.
But the famous exception does say clearly, "...for hunting and other lawful purposes." So....hunting is for/a lawful purpose. As opposed to hunting for unlawful purposes. Which doesn't quite correlate to hunting without a license which in turn is the whole idea within the exception. But, come to think of it, we never did see Mr. Fudd's license.
Hmmm, how did he do that?
Careful...DHS might consider that a 'Terrorist' threat. "
Nawww, they know better than that. Then again, who knows, perhaps they don't. Well, not really. Memories of my 80 year old mother being subjected to a closer inspection than me at the airport doesn't quite cut it in the 'wow, I feel so safe and secure' department.
But the famous exception does say clearly, "...for hunting and other lawful purposes." So....hunting is for/a lawful purpose. As opposed to hunting for unlawful purposes. Which doesn't quite correlate to hunting without a license which in turn is the whole idea within the exception. But, come to think of it, we never did see Mr. Fudd's license.
Hmmm, how did he do that?PO Carry
Nope, I didn't miss it at all, like I said, go ahead, I won't as I don't want to be the instance that the law makes an example out of.
Just like here in MN with the Carry Law being re-instated, the instructor says, "Although the law says it is ok, you don't want to be the first one in front of a judge".
Someone else can test it in law. I for one don't have the money or resources to argue in court over the semantics of "lawful business".
Nope, I didn't miss it at all, like I said, go ahead, I won't as I don't want to be the instance that the law makes an example out of.
Just like here in MN with the Carry Law being re-instated, the instructor says, "Although the law says it is ok, you don't want to be the first one in front of a judge".
Someone else can test it in law. I for one don't have the money or resources to argue in court over the semantics of "lawful business".
HighValleyRanch
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Another what if....
I have a glock 19 as my CCW. It is pretty bulky for under shirt an IWB carry. I found a nice (non CCW type) fanny/hip bag that it fits perfectly into.
I have been carrying it around with cameras and wallets to duplicate the "print" of the 19 in the bag to see it draws any attention. It does not.
So the question is can an officer ask to see what is in the bag even though it is not suspsect to a weapon print? Of course I will not carry until I have my CCW. Why would he ask? Because in the CCW the instructors said that when people are carry fanny packs they (the LE instructors) alway try to figure if someone is packing. Especially since they are all knowledgeable about the various CCW fanny packs. This one is not as obvious. The fanny pack idea is so different than deep concealment, because , hey, it's right out there in the open.
I have a glock 19 as my CCW. It is pretty bulky for under shirt an IWB carry. I found a nice (non CCW type) fanny/hip bag that it fits perfectly into.
I have been carrying it around with cameras and wallets to duplicate the "print" of the 19 in the bag to see it draws any attention. It does not.
So the question is can an officer ask to see what is in the bag even though it is not suspsect to a weapon print? Of course I will not carry until I have my CCW. Why would he ask? Because in the CCW the instructors said that when people are carry fanny packs they (the LE instructors) alway try to figure if someone is packing. Especially since they are all knowledgeable about the various CCW fanny packs. This one is not as obvious. The fanny pack idea is so different than deep concealment, because , hey, it's right out there in the open.
"...can an officer ask to see what is in the bag even though it is not suspsect(sic) to a weapon print?"
In so many words, yes. Actually depends on the particular circumstances, but then again he can always say, "you are obstructing an investigation". Which will probably get you into trouble. Of the legal/criminal kind. Besides getting shot, if and only if, the SHTF. Your S, your F.
In so many words, yes. Actually depends on the particular circumstances, but then again he can always say, "you are obstructing an investigation". Which will probably get you into trouble. Of the legal/criminal kind. Besides getting shot, if and only if, the SHTF. Your S, your F.
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Reminds me of the speech the bank robber makes in Heat!
I'm not a LEO so I'm not going to try to stop an armed robbery. If the guy just wants the money, he can have it. I'll try to cooperate as much as possible. But if he starts to shoot people, then he's forcing me to act. I'm not just going to lie there while he walks around the room executing people. Nobody wants to die but I would rather go out firing than getting one in the temple prostrate on the ground crying!
Gregg
I've been carrying a S&W M296 in a Wilderness Safepacker for nearly three years now. I've seen a couple of LEO's glance at it but nobody has every said word one or asked to see a permit, etc. Don't worry about it. I carried a fanny pack for over ten years before I ever put a gun in one and nobody cared then either!
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Rangefinder
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In an attempt to get back to the original topic---My suggestion would be to speak directly to the local LE agency. They will tell you whether or not carrying in a bank is considered legal or punishable in your area.
Personally, I would consider carrying IN a bank to be a byproduct of carrying while in transit to and from the bank. One of the most popular reasons given and accepted for a CCP is the transport of cash by a private citizen. If I'm going to the bank to make a large cash deposit, I'm worried about getting there--NOT what happens once I get inside. Carrying inside a bank doesn't really seem to be worth worrying about unless it's unsafe/impractical to remove my weapon prior to entering. Honestly, a bank is a private institution, which in most cases would likely come down to that institution's individual ruling on the matter if local laws don't clarify the question.
Personally, I would consider carrying IN a bank to be a byproduct of carrying while in transit to and from the bank. One of the most popular reasons given and accepted for a CCP is the transport of cash by a private citizen. If I'm going to the bank to make a large cash deposit, I'm worried about getting there--NOT what happens once I get inside. Carrying inside a bank doesn't really seem to be worth worrying about unless it's unsafe/impractical to remove my weapon prior to entering. Honestly, a bank is a private institution, which in most cases would likely come down to that institution's individual ruling on the matter if local laws don't clarify the question.
Batman: Apparently you don't share my prowess in reading and comprehending the English language! You mentioned case law, as if you had some knowledge of specific case law germane to this discussion. I'm always curious about reading cases that are relevant to subjects that are of interest to me.
If I do happen to become a "test case", you can be sure that I'll have the services of real lawyers at my disposal.
You mentioned case law, as if you had some knowledge of specific case law germane to this discussion. I'm always curious about reading cases that are relevant to subjects that are of interest to me. If I do happen to become a "test case", you can be sure that I'll have the services of real lawyers at my disposal.
I share the prowess, I just don't see the reason to beat it up. If I had case law in hand I would share. The point being, all the laws on the books aren't worth a piss in a can because of judge's use of personal bias and case law.
We have to be careful that we protect ourselves in accordance to all laws, not just what is in the constituion and some stupid unimportant sign outside of the post office or other buildings.
You have more money than I do if you are thinking you can take on the state you live in with a 'real lawyer'. Not something I would ever do intentionally - espically in a trivial matter like the post office and a gun.
We may not be able to goolge it or anything else, but the state would be more than happy to tell you of some obscure case that wasn't in the media where this item at hand has already been settled. ie: YOU LOSE! I am not going to take that gamble.
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Batman,nice dodge,but this was YOUR statement-"Go ahead and push the envelope, but I think you will find that CASE LAW is NOT in YOUR favor"
The example Jehsa gave was in regards to carrying in a Federal building in which the suspect refused to leave when asked.Private property owners have that right in every state that has concealed carry,there's no reason to think the government does not have that right also.All that was asked of you was to give examples of case law that you referred to in a manner that suggested you had some knowledge the rest of us did not have.Do you in fact have an example of case law pertinent to carrying in a Postal facility?
The example Jehsa gave was in regards to carrying in a Federal building in which the suspect refused to leave when asked.Private property owners have that right in every state that has concealed carry,there's no reason to think the government does not have that right also.All that was asked of you was to give examples of case law that you referred to in a manner that suggested you had some knowledge the rest of us did not have.Do you in fact have an example of case law pertinent to carrying in a Postal facility?
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I don't understand why there are people who think they can buck the system just because they have a carry permit. If you want to make yourself a target, by all means....go ahead.
If I had access to more cases or had tons of time to research it, I am sure I could find a case. I don't think I was dodging anything. The point being, there is probably an obscure case out there that the PA will know about that you don't.
You should read my post:
I don't understand why there are people who think they can buck the system just because they have a carry permit. If you want to make yourself a target, by all means....go ahead.
If I had access to more cases or had tons of time to research it, I am sure I could find a case. I don't think I was dodging anything. The point being, there is probably an obscure case out there that the PA will know about that you don't.
texaspatriot
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Concealed Carry
Being in possession of many "NFA" weapons, legally owned, as a class 3 dealer. I carry a "Mini Uzi" in lieu of a handgun, along with the proper documentation. I have a nifty sling set up, which brings the weapon into play really fast. I applied for and obtained the State CCW permit, and, as a "Mini Uzi is classified as a "pistol", submachinegun not withstanding, this is what I carry. I have ran into one law enforcement official who put on a great big smile when he saw it, thinking he had just made a big bust. That is, until I produce the CCWP and NFA paperwork. I've only had one cop who asked whether or not it was a full automatic weapon. Another pair of beat cops had no idea what they were looking at. One kept calling it a Mac10, the other one was too scared to really talk, being faced with a citizen who actually carries a full automatic weapon. I had my CCWP out when they approached me, the NFA paperwork is kept in the permit case, laminated. When they asked me if I had "registration" for the "Mac10", I said "no". That garnered a response worthy of the finest of Laurel and Hardy. One actually drew his handgun and threw down on me. The older of the pair looked rather lost, so I clarified the situation. "This is a "Mini Uzi" not a Mac10, the paperwork for the "Uzi" is in the permit case. This ignorance is scary...purely scary....Under law, these men are able to carry fully automatic weaponry, yet they know absolutely nothing about it.....Go figure.
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"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams
Being in possession of many "NFA" weapons, legally owned, as a class 3 dealer. I carry a "Mini Uzi" in lieu of a handgun, along with the proper documentation. I have a nifty sling set up, which brings the weapon into play really fast. I applied for and obtained the State CCW permit, and, as a "Mini Uzi is classified as a "pistol", submachinegun not withstanding, this is what I carry. I have ran into one law enforcement official who put on a great big smile when he saw it, thinking he had just made a big bust. That is, until I produce the CCWP and NFA paperwork. I've only had one cop who asked whether or not it was a full automatic weapon. Another pair of beat cops had no idea what they were looking at. One kept calling it a Mac10, the other one was too scared to really talk, being faced with a citizen who actually carries a full automatic weapon. I had my CCWP out when they approached me, the NFA paperwork is kept in the permit case, laminated. When they asked me if I had "registration" for the "Mac10", I said "no". That garnered a response worthy of the finest of Laurel and Hardy. One actually drew his handgun and threw down on me. The older of the pair looked rather lost, so I clarified the situation. "This is a "Mini Uzi" not a Mac10, the paperwork for the "Uzi" is in the permit case. This ignorance is scary...purely scary....Under law, these men are able to carry fully automatic weaponry, yet they know absolutely nothing about it.....Go figure.
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"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams