I know some people do not like LEO'S but come on!

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I don't know what this man's problem was. All I can say is, if I ever get out of line like this man was, I hope I have such Professional Officers show up and help me through whatever it is that's got me acting foolish.

The City of Kalamazo is lucky to have such fine LEOs.
 
That's true, and they probably should have, IMO. I don't know why they didn't. I would assume that a warrant would be needed to search his home.
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I would think that after they got the guy settled down they determined that he was angry about something and needed to vent, that He calmed down and acknowledged that he was acting foolish, and they decided he wasn't a threat, wasn't out to hurt anyone, not really mentally disturbed, just a little wound up. He didn't actually threaten anyone although we was making a spectacle of himself. Now I know this is all supposition but I don't think it's all that far off the mark.
 
I think people open carrying long guns should be stopped and at least questioned as to what their inventions are. And the protesters toting them around Walmart video taping it isn't really something to protect our constitutional rights. I know I'm gonna get a lot flak for that, but what reason do you have to be carrying around an AR-15 to a mall or a shotgun into Walmart? The whole idea of open carrying long guns seems stupid to me, if an armed assailant see you with your decked out Lego gun he's gonna gun for you first. How fast are you gonna sling round an AR-15, aim it, and fire it when it's on your back and bullets are coming by our way? Not much, I'd say. I dot see anything wrong with concealed carrying pistols. But why open Carey them when you can conceal them? Just seems a bit daft to me. "But it's our constitutional right" rhetoric isn't really good support, as your're doing more harm than good to our constitutional rights.
 
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I think people open carrying long guns should be stopped and at least questioned as to what their inventions are.
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Oh just stop right there. If it is legal to carry the gun then why do you think someone should be stopped?

Should I be stopped if I am spotted carrying my rifle into my LGS cause I want to get a sling that fits it?

Should I be stopped if I bring my shotgun into Walmart for the same reason?

Truth is, for much of the country, it's only been in recent years that anyone would even think it at all odd. Now I have no problem admitting that back then people weren't making videos of themselves "protesting for their rights". But at the same time there wasn't a huge push to take away those rights. And an individual had a harder time getting any "face time" for their protest unlike today.

In short, the world is changing, but you better be careful what you wish for when you start thinking the cops should stop and question you for actions that are not illegal. Once you start down that road you don't know how far it's going to go.

If you are not doing anything illegal and you're not making a spectacle out of yourself like this guy did, then the cops really should not be stopping you.
 
I dot see anything wrong with concealed carrying pistols. But why open Carey them when you can conceal them? J
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There are a lot of people, myself included, that will not comply with turning my "right" into a 'privilege" And that is what a CCW is IMO, a privilege, a permision slip.

an AR-15 to a mall or a shotgun into Walmart?
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If a private property owner permits it and the State law only allows long gun OC, well that is your only choice. I know most of the OC Texas folks would rather OC their handguns, but the law says only long guns, so they have no choice.
 
If you are not doing anything illegal and you're not making a spectacle out of yourself like this guy did, then the cops really should not be stopping you.
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:) 2 thumbs up!
 
Can we cut the crap? This man was acting bizarrely - pointed at folks, in the street with his PJs and shaking his ding-dong.

They handled him professionally and righteously. Taking him in for a mental status check would have been justified.

It has nothing to do with OC in Texas of a handgun.

We don't need another long thread about why someone wants to go Chipolte and wave his AK in front of the clientele because he can't OC a pistol. He could carry a pistol in a concealed manner. Don't tell me it is too hot because I live in the inferno.
 
I can conceal carry with an undershirt and a super light/thin Nike Dri-Fit t shirt cover. That's not too hot at all.
 
He could carry a pistol in a concealed manner. Don't tell me it is too hot because I live in the inferno.
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Again, some people refuse to turn a "right" into privilege.

So the ONLY option is OC
 
Carrying in any form, let alone a specific manner, is not quite (recognized and exercisable as) a right yet. At least nationwide anyway.
 
A large part of my definition of "acceptable and responsible open carry" hinges on context.

Some examples of AROC:
  • Handgun in holster, crossing the parking lot to get into car.
  • Handgun in holster, sitting at dinner.
  • Long gun slung over a shoulder, no magazine inserted.

Some examples of NAROC ("Not AROC"):
  • Rifle in crook of arm, magazine in, while standing on a streetcorner in your pajamas, grabbing your junk and shouting profanities at police officers.

Honestly, I thought the officers were more than reasonable in their actions.
 
lcpiper said:
In short, the world is changing, but you better be careful what you wish for when you start thinking the cops should stop and question you for actions that are not illegal. Once you start down that road you don't know how far it's going to go.
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We're already well down that road. And it leads to the expected place. Zero 4th amendment rights in public, basically.

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But considering the daily risks that police officers take, they deserve some benefit of the doubt.
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That seems like an invalid conclusion. If cops started kidnapping and murdering people, they'd probably face even higher risks. It follows, then, that risks should not determine the level of respect and how much benefit of the doubt they deserve.

How much benefit of the doubt they deserve is connected to how reasonable the laws are which they enforce, and how low the bar of suspicion is set for a cop to begin an interaction with a civilian under suspicion.

I would say in both senses the status quo is way beyond tolerable. This reduces to two things: proliferation of laws, and the continuation of the line of reasoning begun with Terry, creating an amorphous, poorly-defined concept of "reasonable suspicion", a thing easily manufactured after the fact unless the cop gets very unlucky and there is contradictory evidence presented to impeach his or her testimony at trial.
 
There's an old saying, "Just because you can doesn't mean you should". And I'd say it holds true to OC. It's not "protecting" your 2A Rights as some of you think, as I said it's hurting them more than anything. Other than the usual police stops and questionings, if you're going to do something that isn't very wise, you deserve what you get. Police and other figures of authority are considered Keepers of the peace, I honestly wouldn't consider a bunch of drunks and nuts in the street with AR's and AK's, waving flags and scaring the public and causing paranoia very peaceful.
 
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