I Just Proved Myself Wrong about the 7.62x39 Caliber

Sacco, I dunno what kind of '06 ammo you were using, but consider: The AK round is a 139-grain bullet at around 2,200 ft/sec or so. The military '06 round is a 153-grain bullet at around 2,700 ft/sec. Now, me, I'd bet on the '06.

Then there are things like the Federal "Really Hot!" ammo for the '06, with a 165-grain bullet at some 3,100 ft/sec. :)

As far as damage with or without the flak jacket, remember that a lot of energy is used up in doing the penetrating. You could wind up with a relatively large-diameter but superficial surface wound. Who knows? Bullets do strange things.

FWIW, Art
 
You had to be shooting extremely crappy 30/06 ammo if it did worse than 7.62x39. 30/06 is as close as you can get to ballistic superiority, compared to any other rifle caliber.

On your comments about the .223 ( OH "TURK" WHERE ARE YOU?;) ) thats exactly the reason they use the M855 round. Have fun with your AK!!
 
Sacco583,
flack jacket military gives ya is NOT designed for bullet,
it is designed to un-uniform shaped slow speed shrapnel from mine or artillary or boobytrap or whatever,
I don't even think it will block .45 ACP, I didn't test it thou when US army rent it to me during my service :p
remember, poor soldier always uses equipment procured by lowest bidder principle process, :rolleyes:
 
I know the flack jacket is for reducing the risk of injury from flack - hense the name. My question was: Would it be worse to wear a flack jacket or a t-shirt? I'm thinking that t-shirt offers no prtection. The bullet will pass through. Maybe you'll live. I'm not saying always but maybe better chances than if the bullet spreads on impacting the flack jacket then blows a 2" hole through your check only to be stopped by the other side of the flack jacket...or something like that....OR would the flack jacket be just enough to reduce the force to "survivable" standards?
And, I agree with you. I don't think that a flack jacket will stop .45. Again, that wasn't the question. I ask because I own a flack jacket. Just wondering if I should leave it home when the time comes. If I ever get involved in a war, there's a good chance I would be killed by a 7.62x39. Of corse I'll wear the jacket anyway to protect me from flack and flechettes of debis But back to my question...what would be better? To let the bullet potentially pass through or try to slow it with the risk it will expand you ass 2" or more?
 
sorry guys...I didn't proof read my reply befor sending....I'm dumb.

Let me try that again...

My question was: Would it be worse to wear a flack jacket or a t-shirt? I'm know that t-shirt offers no prtection. The bullet will pass through - a good chance, anyway. Maybe you'll live. I'm not saying 'always', but maybe better chances than if the bullet spreads on impacting the flack jacket and blows a 2" hole through your chest only to be stopped by the other side of the flack jacket...or something like that....OR would the flack jacket be just enough to reduce the force to "survivable" standards?

that's a little better
 
I Posted a question about the 7.62x39 round penetrating our standard issue Kevlar Helmets. It apparatly does, but only at close range. There are stories of Kevlar Helmets stopping 7.62x39 rounds during the Panama Invasion.

Our Moderator "Schmit" posted results from 9mm, 45acp, 5.56, 12gauge and I think something else all from about 9yds. I'm going to dig up the post and check to see what the results were.
 
I still have the 1/4" steel plating that I tested a couple of years ago and the results from the 7.62x39 rounds were impresive. These 12"x12" plates were shot by me at 125 yards with FMJ rounds of 123-gr bullets. These were not AP rounds either just the lead core FMJ Seller and Bellot ammo.

These looked like they had been placed on a drill press. I would not want to stand behind even a car at 125 yards for cover against this round.

We have also practiced on old cars with this round :D the results were always the same, damage was always impressive. Anyone with film footage of the B of A robbery in LA can attest to that. The news media seeing a round going through steel call them AP rounds. Heck any FMJ 7.62X39 round will do what you seen happen. The police that day were simply out matched with a common 7.62X39 FMJ round.

I have also tested the HP rounds that are available for hunting. We wanted to test penitration and expansion on wet lap with plywood in between. We used 3 bailed bundles of news print that were soaked for several days in water. These were bound together with duct tap prior to being soaked down in standing water. When we tested them for P & E the results were also impressive.

The three bundles were placed at 125 yards on a table with the plywood between each bundle. The shot hit center of the first bundle. Penitration was complete and expansion was devistating. :rolleyes:
 
Sacco, it could well be that the energy loss of the bullet penetrating a vest would reduce the depth of the wound in your precious bod. Dunno. If it's an FMJ bullet, it won't expand, anyway.

As far as penetrating a 1/4" mild steel plate, Lord, I hope it would! That's not much of a test.

Art
 
Art...I guess I should have put more detail into my previous post. I'm not busting your balls. The rounds that penetrated both pieces of equipment and left a 2" hole were FMJ. I used HP also. Some of the rounds went through the printer (the first target) but stopped there. Some went as far as the computer case (the second target). But most fell short. I'm not really too clear as to the exact manerisms of the HP I was using because by time I used a clip full of HP I was just firing for effect. The origional test was to see how far the FMJ could go, and that I have told you. I used the FMJ first because it would penetrate a little more. I'm pretty sure most of the HP stopped somewhere close to the back of the printer or front of case. Almost all FMJ hit and or passed the computer case.
If anyone wants footage they can tell me how to convert the analog video to jpeg or avi and I'll gladly email it.
 
umm...my point is, the FMJ expands. It holds together too. Due to it's mass it keeps going too. Somebody give me an idea for another test. I have about 20 phone books, 2 more computer cases, 10 hard drives, a 21" monitor and a toaster oven, unlimited space and lots of free time. Any takers? I think I will start a post on this if I don't fall asleep soon.
 
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