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If you voted for third party......I hope you got what you wanted.
If you voted democrat because you are unhappy how the republicans handled (your cause inserted here).....I hope you got what you wanted.
If you didn't vote at all out of protest...I hope you got what you wanted.

It's your vote to do with as you please.

What you gave me and the rest of us is Pelosi in charge of the House, Murtha in charge of Ways and Means, Conyers (shudder) in charge of judiciary, and on and on. Heaven help us all.

I hope you are ecstatic with the world this morning.
You got what you asked for.
Most of us didn't.
 
I'm with you, Trainman. Seeing Nancy, Chuck and the others on the front page of the Washington Post, hands raised in "victory" sends a really cold feeling through me. So many votes for so many wrong reasons, IMHO.
 
You are blaming the wrong people. The "moderates" did it.

I find this interesting as can be. There has been a complete and total misrepresentation as to why the Republicans lost the House and Senate.

The "moderates" within the Republican party leadership are the ones who deserve the credit for putting power in the hands of the left wing socialists.

If you recall, us dyed in the wool, lifelong Republicans were upset with first, the passing of the McCain-Feingold Anti-First Amendment Bill, which cinched the victory for the leftists in the first place. The NRA was banned from running advertisements within 90 days of an election mentioning anything at all about the voting records, or proposed legislation of the gun grabbers.

A Republican Senator, and a Republican Senate, was responsible for it.

Then, the majority (at the time) disregarded literally millions of phone calls, faxes, emails, and letters when we demanded Arlen Spector be removed from the Senate committe after siding with the left wing socialists/democrats regarding Judicial nominees for the Supreme Court.

A Republican majority, ignored us.

Then, when we demanded Congress halt by the invasion of our borders, and along with it a demand that our culture completely bend to the will of foreigners, a Republican majority ignored us.

After a threat to our nation made it clear we needed to close down the borders and tighten security against Islamic facism, our Republican Majority instead decided that the best way to handle this, was to ban profiling but increase body cavity searches of eighty year old grandmothers at airports.

These regulations were brought to us by a Republican majority.

To further insult the base, the Republican majority decided to pass laws allowing for a President to, at his sole discretion, declare martial law for any purpose he deems meets the ambiguous definition of "domestic violence" or "disobedience". The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, the Military Commissions Act, and were all brought to us by a Republican majority.

Instead of governing as we mandated, we were instead disregarded totally. We did not accept the theory that we should continue rewarding total disregard, due to the other candidates simply "sucking more" than the current ones.

The blame lies with the Republican party.
 
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Sorry, but you have nobody to blame but yourself for not campaigning hard enough for the people you wanted to win.

I don't like the loss of the House any more than you, but don't be a sore loser.
 
OK....maybe I'm off here, but here is how I see it. THe republicans lost the election more then the democrats won it. But before all the leftists start rejoicing, here are a few things to consider.

1) Many of the newly elected democrats are not hard lefties...they are moderates or in some cases conservative (by Democratic party standards). So I am not yet sure if this "new look" house is going to be really all that leftist.

2) This is a test of the Democratic party. They have spent 6 years bashing, whining, and complaining, and basically saying how they would be better. OK, time to put up or shut up. Are you the party of change or aren't you. The American people want to see something "better", you better deliver on your six years of rhetoric.

3) THis may actually achieve a good goal for the Rebublicans....this ousting could give the Rebubl;icans time to do some necessary closent cleaning. Being in power for 12 years without any real challenge can make you go stale. It also (as we have seen) can cause you to lose sight of the base that got you there. Frankly, the party of "conservatives" was no longer really conservative. ITs time for them to get their act together.

'Course, the best case senario is to go to a more than two party system...but that is hard to work in a presidential system of government. :rolleyes:
 
Here’s what I see for the future. First consider that the democrats held power for over 40 years. I think it came as a very serious shock when they lost everything. I think they felt they had all the time in the world to move their socialist agenda forward. After they lost everything I think they understood if they every regained control they had better get serious about moving their agenda forward in an expeditious manner. So I think you will see a flood of new bills and such all aimed at insuring that the democrat party never again loses power. I think that high on their list are going to be things like significantly curtailing 2nd amendment rights, the end of talk radio and possibly the internet as an alternant news source, and the opening up of our borders in order to gain an illiterate voting block that can be easily lead around by the nose. These are just a few of the things I think we can look forward to in the near future. I fear we are seeing the demise of the America that our fathers knew and that many of us once thought was guarantied for generations to come.

As for me I’m buying more guns while I still can because I don’t have a lot of confidence in our future. I think the tides and forces at play here coupled with the stupidity of our leaders and most of our populace are simply too big and too pervasive to stop.
 
Look on the bright side. Now we get to see if all those "molon labe" or "from our cold dead hands" people have the constitution & fortitude to go forth & act instead of empty talk.
 
It'll be interesting to see what kind of membership spike we'll see in GO-NH as these results start to sink in for all the apathetic anti-handgun, anti-AR15 hunters out there.

I plan to go out and buy a scary black rifle today.
 
Oh make no mistake, I do not see myself as someone who is going to lead some kind of armed resistance or even be involved in one. I simply plan to be as prepared as I can be for what ever may come. Regardless of what may come I do plan to try and survive it or at least have some hope of surviving it. And it seems to me that it very well may be a good idea to have access to some guns should the need arise.
 
buying more hi cap mags, buying more "assault" weapons (ak, sks, etc...) and tons of ammo, prepare for the ban to come back and prepare for it to be worse, much worse, and longer. Also read that they are even talking about putting legislation forward for a handgun ban like in canada. I guess buy em' and hide em' now folks.
 
The idea is, if you think you might ever want a scary black rifle at any time in the future, now's the time to buy it.
 
What you gave me and the rest of us is Pelosi in charge of the House, Murtha in charge of Ways and Means, Conyers (shudder) in charge of judiciary, and on and on. Heaven help us all.
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And this means we all need to start stockpiling magazines and ammo again!
 
This was hardly a big win for the Left. The Dems who won are mostly Blue Dog Democrats. Moderates. The Balance of Power means gridlock; that is a good thing in the wake of such recent "accomplishments" as PATRIOT II, a 700 Mile Fence that will never be erected and the Military Commissions Act.

This Election was not won by the Dems; it was lost by the Republicans who are every bit as out of touch with their base as the far left Dems were. It was a win for the Moderates. Sure, I'd prefer they not be Democrat Moderates, but we seldom get everything we ask for. ;) I call it a gentle Wake Up Call. I didn't "get what I wanted", but I'm hardly crying in my beer.
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Absolutely right; if you want somebody to blame, take a look in the mirror.
The big game was last night and your team left the field without a win. This is not the time to blame it on the fans, the referees, or the other team for being unbeatable.
This is the time to take a good look at what went wrong, correct your mistakes, and go back to basics.

If the Republican party fields policies people want and candidates people feel good about, people will vote Republican. As long as you don't...Democrats will continue to win until such time as their brand-identity problem exceeds your own.
 
Even in the worst case scenerio, how exactly are the anti-law enforcement, anti-military lefties going to enforce a gun ban? Do they have some teenage mutant ninja hippies I don't know about? Any anti gun legislation that gets passed will be enforced the same way it always is - we'll all be on the honor system.
 
Rich has a point, after all their many grand accomplishments in the last few years, maybe now they'll actually get something worthwhile done.

"The sky is falling The sky is falling. I hope you got what you wanted..."
 
2) This is a test of the Democratic party. They have spent 6 years bashing, whining, and complaining, and basically saying how they would be better. OK, time to put up or shut up. Are you the party of change or aren't you. The American people want to see something "better", you better deliver on your six years of rhetoric.
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This is definitely a good point. Hopefully, the dem's are smart enough to realize why they were given control of the house-and that the reason wasn't to further the far left agenda, but rather to fix what has been damaged the last few years. Their priorities are getting the budget under control and dealing with immigration. Those are the hot topics right now. If they ignore the issues that turned the tables and instead go after anti-gun legislation and touchy-feely special interest crap, they'll be out again in '08. Most voters vote to make a change from what they don't like, not so much anticipating what they want becoming reality. Hindsight.

We 2a voters tend to have much more forsight, but unfortunately as a group we have been willing to sacrifice wayyy too much to keep our gun rights. In the last 6 years the second amendment has been left in tact, but the rest of the bill of rights has been slaughtered.

Who knows, perhaps the dem's will turn some of that around. I fear a 4th amendment vioaltion under the guise of the patriot act more than I fear a new AWB. At least in '94 they couldn't make up a story about who you are and then come into your house and sieze everything. The anti-freedom legislation passed over the last 5 years has given gov't. the authority to do pretty much whatever they please under the pretenses of national security.

I'm not saying I support democrats, just that the party I used to belong to has really sold us out in the beginning of the 21st century. The only reason Bush won a second term in office is because the dem's refused to put up a palletable option. They learned from 2004, selected more moderate candidates for this election and pulled it off.

Like Servo77 said, let's wsee if they deliver ont he promises. They know what's at stake if they don't.
 
Who knows, perhaps the dem's will turn some of that around. I fear a 4th amendment vioaltion under the guise of the patriot act more than I fear a new AWB. At least in '94 they couldn't make up a story about who you are and then come into your house and sieze everything. The anti-freedom legislation passed over the last 5 years has given gov't. the authority to do pretty much whatever they please under the pretenses of national security.
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As one who votes strictly Democratic, except for one time last term for Republican Clay Shaw because of something I specifically knew about his opponenent that was intolerable, I wish I could say that I expect the Democrats to roll back that anti-freedom legislation. But I don't.

However, I now have something I didn't have before. Now I'm a constituent who voted for them, and who will not hesitate to change my affiliation next time if need be. And you better believe that letters, on paper, not e-mail, are going out to my representatives and senator explaining that state of affairs within a week.

By the way, to those saying that the sweep by Democrats was successful because they're really moderates, you are probably correct. And that's just how I like things. A teeny bit left of the middle.
 
2) This is a test of the Democratic party. They have spent 6 years bashing, whining, and complaining, and basically saying how they would be better. OK, time to put up or shut up. Are you the party of change or aren't you. The American people want to see something "better", you better deliver on your six years of rhetoric.
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This will be especially funny when they end up taking the Senate as well. I think the Democrats have over shot their mark and may have screwed themselves. Their rallying call has been "Nobody hates the President like we hate the President". If they run the House and Senate then blaming the President for everything is no longer going to fly, and the Republican minority is going to be in the press every single day pointing out every mistake. I hope the Democrats have a better plan than "trust us, we will make everything better".
 
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