I have an Yugo M57 in 7.62 X 25.

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The Fedor Tokarev design based on Browning's 1903 auto pistol. The Yugo is a great pistol and the design is robust in nature. I also have a M70 in .32 ACP that shoots better than I do! If anyone wants a great shooting pistol for a lot less money you would be well-advised to look into this grand old design.

The thread on the M88A pistol inspired this post. If anyone else likes the Tokarev design, please speak up.
 
The Fedor Tokarev design based on Browning's 1903 auto pistol.
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Umm, no.

The 1903 is a blowback design, and the Tokarev has nothing in common with it.

The Tokarev TT30s and TT33s, copied Browning's swinging link design from the 1911 (and predecessors), as well as the recoiling slide, but the similarities end there.

Also, the Tokarev lockwork was a packaged unit that was completely removable from the frame, and bore no resemblance to the 1911 or any other Colt.
 
My error. The Tokarev is based on a Browning design, though. The removable firing group was uniquely Fedor Tokarev's.

It is a robust and long life design.
 
The Tokarev is based on a Browning design, though.
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Only in a very general sense. As I said, the only features copied were the swinging link and the recoiling slide. Everything else was to be found in a variety of handguns.

In fact, I'm not sure that Charles Petter wasn't working on the removable hammer package at the time.

You are correct in that it is about a bullet proof design, however.

I'm fortunate enough to have an original WWII bringback Tokarev (1939), and it has always been reliable, in spite of what looks to be a very hard life.
 
You got one guy who designs prototypes and another guy who copies it. lol
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That's the "history" of firearms. '03 Springfield is a copy of a Mauser; VIS 1935 (Radom) is a copy of both the 1911 and the Hi-Power; SIG P210 is a copy of the French 1935 S, Glock stole from a whole bunch of different designs, etc., etc.

As the saying goes: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
 
I should have stated that the Zastava M70 7.65mm has an action that is copied from Browning's 1903 (straight blowback). Fedor's "drop-in" or "modular" firing group was unique.

I like them all.
 
If you like the Tok cartridge, play with a CZ52. The M57, due to the narrow frame, does sting me a bit. The CZ52 has some type of whacked-out roller-delayed unlocking mechanism that, while I have had it apart to replace the rollers, I am clueless about the operation of it. But it works.

The first time I had my M57 apart, the firing group fell off, and I just about had a major panic attack, certain something vital had gone awry. The modular firing pin group is a very elegent solution for a combat arm. Wonder why more patterns have not adopted it.o
 
I had a CZ52 and didn't care much for it. Oh, don't get me wrong, it was okay, but i couldn't justify keeping it. I later bought the Yugo because I found it more amenable to carry and fun.

The Zastava M70 7.65 mm was bought because I wanted a small, all-steel pistol that would take high-pressure ammunition in the caliber.
 
The Zastava M70 7.65 mm was bought because I wanted a small, all-steel pistol that would take high-pressure ammunition in the caliber.
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It is a pretty neat little pistol. At one time it was also offered in .380 and advertised in Natchez' catalogue, but the civil war stopped exportation of it and I have heard naught about it since.
 
The CZ52 has some type of whacked-out roller-delayed unlocking mechanism
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Wacked out? You mean like the famous German MG 42 machine gun of WWII?
In firearms operating systems, the term roller locked refers to locking the bolt with rollers. Notable examples of firearms using this method are the MG42 and Rheinmetall MG3 machineguns, and the CZ 52 pistol.
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If you scour around on the internet, I think that you can locate another magazine for the M70. I'm looking for one as well. Don't feel as if you're the Lone Ranger.
 
Hi CS,

Yup, that is the system...truly the oddest, least intuitive fire control system I have seen. Doesn't make it bad, I just don't understand its operational principle.
 
I believe the " drop in module" was copied from a design that FN's Siavie (sp?) developed for a French trials pistol.
 
7.62x25 is fun to shoot, but hard to find. You will pretty much have to order it online, and probably in at least case or crate quantities to make it worthwhile.

I'd go with the M70A in 9mm just for logistical reasons.

CZ52's haven't been imported for 10 years, so you will only find them on the secondary market for $300-400. That's almost two Yugos.
 
Not inscrutable.

With a roller locked short recoil firearm, the barrel and slide/bolt are locked together by rollers. When the firearm is fired, the locked barrel and slide recoil together a short distance while pressure drops. Then, they are cammed apart, and extraction and ejection occur. It's the same idea as a flapper locking, except with rollers.

It's unusual because it's a method of operation more commonly found in belt fed light machine guns, just scaled down and shoehorned into a single action pistol.

Even though roller delayed blockback is descended from the roller/flapper lock, it operates on an entirely different principle. Think MP5 or G3. The barrel is fixed, and the bolt doesn't actually lock. When the firearm is fired, the bolt head immediately begins moving rearwards, pushing against the rollers, which push against the bolt carrier at a tremendous mechanical disadvantage. Even though extraction begins immediately upon firing, the mechanism is able to slow the bolt enough for safe and reliable function, although gas lubrication is necessary to prevent case head separation.

It basically functions as a fancy blowback, which is decidedly different than recoil operation.
 
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