I gave in to the HK VP9.

You recollection is correct, but your understanding of how the trigger and hammer work is slightly off. :)

The LEM hammer is actually a two piece hammer. There is the external part that you see being moved by the trigger, and there is the internal 'cocking' piece. This internal piece is cocked by the slide cycling. It compresses the hammer spring and is held in that position by the sear, just as a normal SA trigger would be. The external part of the hammer is actuated by the trigger bar, and there is a cam between the two hammer pieces so when you pull the trigger, moving the external hammer, it trips the sear and released the cocking piece with fires the gun.

You can release the trigger all the way forward and yes, the external hammer will go forward, however all that does is give you longer (light) trigger take up. The cocking piece stays cocked so it's not the weight of the normal double-action pull. Think of LEM as a 2 stage trigger like a 2-stage AR trigger if you are familiar with them. There is a light take up and then a 'wall' just like your normal single action wall. After the shot fires, you can reset the trigger to the reset point or all the way. The weight will not change, it's going to be same trigger pull, just with more distance.

Kind of hard to explain. There are some good YouTube videos that demonstrate it pretty well. Hopefully that made sense.
 
Just got back from the range. Put another 200rds through the VP9 on my lunch break.

Still awesome. Still no issues(of course).

Can't recommend it enough. This thing is going to deplete my 9mm supply in rapid order.
 
Thanks, great explanation of the LEM trigger.

I look forward to trying the VP9. I really like the Glock 19 and Walther PPS and the PPQ, so I want to try the VP9.
 
The VP9 is pretty close to the PPQ trigger.

The VP9 has shorter take-up than the PPQ. The actual break on the PPQ is a little bit cleaner, I think. Just the break alone, I prefer the PPQ. But as a whole package, I prefer the VP9. Less take-up, and trigger breaks further forward. I like both of those things. The break is still really nice on the VP9... just not quite as nice as the PPQ.
 
When the P30 first came out, I jumped on getting one soon after. Think I paid around $800. That was several years ago. My question is, how did they R&D this firearm with arguable improvements over the P30, yet have a price tag over $200 LESS? Did they find a way to manufacture it more efficiently?
 
When the P30 first came out, I jumped on getting one soon after. Think I paid around $800. That was several years ago. My question is, how did they R&D this firearm with arguable improvements over the P30, yet have a price tag over $200 LESS? Did they find a way to manufacture it more efficiently?
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"Made by the elves you know." BTW, up until tomorrow (BUY NOW :eek:) HK is doing $200 factory rebates on that same P30.

There are some differences. Instead of the polymer being molded completely around a metal chassis, the front rail and locking area is a metal insert into the frame. We could also argue that a striker fired pistol is cheaper to make than a hammer fired pistol, although the VP9 has plenty of parts.

Honestly, I think while it probably is cheaper to make a larger part may be HK accepting smaller profit margins in the hopes of selling more.
 
Thanks for the info, I'm getting one as well.

Too bad the $200 didn't include the VP :/

I just put half the $ down on one even without the rebate. Couldn't resist after seeing it up close.

Was curious Uncle, what ammo are you practicing with for the VP?

Also are there different sights for it?

The one I'm getting has the green Luminescent sights, I thought they were pretty cool.

$587 shipped from impact guns. Narkguns was about $30 cheaper but I needed the layaway program.
 
Too bad the $200 didn't include the VP :/

I just put half the $ down on one even without the rebate. Couldn't resist after seeing it up close.
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Congratulations. Good choice!

Was curious Uncle, what ammo are you practicing with for the VP?
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I had some old 115gr Blazer Brass that I used up. I also finished up the rest of my normal practice ammo - Freedom Munitions 124gr. Got another case of that on the way.
Also are there different sights for it?

The one I'm getting has the green Luminescent sights, I thought they were pretty cool.
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They use the same sights as the P30, so there are already many sight options out on the market. Mine also shipped with the luminescent sights. They are better than white 3 dots, but kind of useless as night sights as they only hold a charge for like 30 min.

My recommendation for aftermarket sights would be either Trijicon HD(yellow front, not orange) or the Heinie Slant Pro QWIK sights. I give the edge to the HD's, but both are good.

$587 shipped from impact guns. Narkguns was about $30 cheaper but I needed the layaway program.
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Not a bad price and I hear you about the layaway option. I use the layaway at Bud's pretty frequently myself when buying some of the more expensive guns. It's a lot easier to spread that hit out over several paychecks.

Enjoy the gun! Pics when it comes in!
 
Uncle Malice-

post #21 you posted explaining the lem trigger-have'nt said a thing about shooting the gun in the thread yet.

post#22-51 minutes later you posted you just got back from the range ( on your lunch break-you at work?)-shooting the vp9 -for the second time and did'nt tell us about shooting it for the first time.

Hey if i missed something-just blame my alzheimers.:D

Nice gun -H&K- how can you go wrong with that.

Happy New Year Ever body.
 
Weird... you're right. I have no idea how I forgot to post about the first time out with the gun. I guess I was getting my threads mixed up.

I did have an updated thread over on the HK forums. Here is the content of my report after the first range trip(I could have sworn I duplicated it here):

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Update! Got some rounds through the gun.

I was very surprised at how well I shot the VP9 right off the bat. Here is a target that I shot at 30 feet(10 yards). This is 100 rounds total. 50rounds in the torso, 50 rounds in the head. The heat had a bit more stringing but I attribute that to having a bit less of that target to aim at. This is all off-hand, fairly quick firing. About 1 shot every 1.5-2 seconds.

I don't claim to be an amazing shooter, but for me, this is pretty damn good at 10 yards - especially with a new gun. This is about what I get from the M&P at 7 yards. I get groups similar to this with my MK25 at 10 yards, but I have a LOT more rounds through that gun, and it's got significantly more money into it.

This is bone stock VP9 other than a bunch of dry firing to help break in the trigger.

I shot 200 rounds total. No issues. I didn't even have the issue of hitting the slide stop that many people do. I DO have that issue on the P30 a little less than half of the time. No failures of course. As others have mentioned, the little bit of creep you feel during dry fire is not noticeable during live fire.

I talked about the VP9 when it was released... I honestly think this thing MIGHT become my new favorite.... er... second favorite. The MK25 will not be dethroned... but the VP9 may step right into my favorite polymer and/or striker fired gun slot. It's super smooth. I shot it both with and without the TLR-1 attached - the target photo was without the light attached.

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The VP9 is pretty close to the PPQ trigger.

The VP9 has shorter take-up than the PPQ. The actual break on the PPQ is a little bit cleaner, I think. Just the break alone, I prefer the PPQ. But as a whole package, I prefer the VP9. Less take-up, and trigger breaks further forward. I like both of those things. The break is still really nice on the VP9... just not quite as nice as the PPQ.
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I bought a PPQ about 3-4 months before my local gun shop got in a VP9. It sure feels to me that the PPQ trigger is a fair amount better than the VP9 trigger that I sampled. I would also rate the ergos better on the PPQ, just seemed more comfy in the grip.

That said, if I was ever going to buy an HK, the VP9 would be the one. Uncle got me thinking now and I should rent one sometime.
 
I bought a VP9 a couple of months ago and loved it so much I got another, with night sights this time. My 23 year-old son enjoys shooting with me and we had a wonderful time yesterday with the two VP9s. Neither of us are experts by any means but we both felt like experts at the end of our session. The VP9 is everything the reviews claim. Thanks to those posting about their experiences with the VP9.
 
I don't want to get into an argument with Nail Shooter, but the VP9 I handled yesterday had a great trigger. My opinion: It is easily the equal of the PPQ, but different as Uncle Malice described. Based on 5 minutes of handling the VP9 versus shooting the PPQ multiple times in the last year, I would judge the VP9 trigger just slightly superior to the PPQ... again, my opinion, and not easy for a Walther fan to say. It is amazing that a striker fired trigger can be as good as a decent factory 1911... never thought that would happen.
 
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