I Fear That Armed Revolt Is Close.

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http://www.ccops.org/wolfe-sneakattacks.html

This article lists laws that are products of the 104th Congress, the so-called Republican Revolution.

An excerpt:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The question is: What are we going to do about it? Write a. nice, polite letter to your congressperson? Hey, if you think that'll help, I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying. (And it isn't your "bridge to the future," either.)

Vote "better people, into office? Oh yeah, that's what we thought we were doing in 1994. Work to fight one bad bill or another? Okay. What will you do about the 10 or 20 or 100 equally horrible bills that will be passed behind your back while you were fighting that little battle? And let's say you defeat a nightmare bill this year. What, are you going to do when they sneak it back in, at the very last minute, in some "omnibus legislation" next year? And what about the horrors you don't even learn about until two or three years after they become law? Should you try fighting these laws in the courts? Where do you find the resources? Where do you find a judge who doesn't have a vested interest in bigger, more powerful government? And again, for every one case decided in favor of freedom, what do you do about the 10, 20 or 100 in which the courts decide against the Bill of Rights?[/quote]

I'll tell you, I'm just about ready to give up.



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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
DeanF, interesting site and article. When does the revolution start?

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"Unless the Lord builds the house, they labour in vain that build it:
except the Lord guards the city, the watchman stays awake in vain." (Psalm 127:1)


"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."
(Alexander Solzhenitzyn)
 
As morose as this may sound - in a way we need a revolution, but it will never happen.

There simply not enough of us. Armed revolt is not an option. Anyone participating would be dealt with like just another nutcase.

We have to attempt to find other avenues for our fight.

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Copy the article, edit out the commentary leaving only the clear statements of fact, compose a professional, properly written, grammatically correct letter (not email) on high quality bond and send said letter along with a request for a written response and/or telephone return call to your 3 elected national representatives.

I would think it possible to state in each case what provision of the constitution or bill of rights is violated. Then you might as your elected representatives how they can swear to uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and then turn around and pass legislation which could have just as easily been written by Hitler in the Third Reich.

You might also post your letter and see if anyone else might forward such comments to their representatives.

Now is not the time to quit. Now is the time to get p*ssed and red faced angry.

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
I don't know when it starts. As I said in the title, I Fear armed revolt. ;)

The person who wrote the article is, in my opinion, correct. Civil involvement in the political process is mere spinning of wheels.

I spin my wheels a lot these days.

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CMOS,

Then why not just turn our guns in peacably and beat the rush? Since a fight would be fruitless why on earth are we even worried about RKBA? As far as I'm concerned, my firearm(s) are only good for my target/varmint shooting and armed revolt. Let's be honest here.

Joel
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As morose as this may sound - in a way we need a revolution, but it will never happen.
There simply not enough of us. Armed revolt is not an option. Anyone participating would be dealt with like just another nutcase.

We have to attempt to find other avenues for our fight.
 
Joel, **IF** there were an armed revolt, that was sufficiently participated in, I would be right there next to you with my rather formidable "collection".

My statements refer to the general "position" of the overwhelming majority of Americans today. We ,all of us, have become too dependent on the gubmint, not by our chioce per se, but by society's choices. How many American are willing to lose EVERYTHING (house, cars, credit cards, lifestyle, FAMILY?) to take up arms against - well against who actually? Where would these fighters live? How would they eat, replenish their supplies, garner transportation, etc.?

Would 100 people revolt? Sure. Then they'd be "Waco'ed", and in short order. How about 500 people. Sure. They also would be crushed by the massive government response - as well as being painted by the media as "crazed violent militia members" which of course would prompt the media to further "explain" that the average citizen "needs" protection from this "element" (read: even more government intervention)

See my point? It's not that I don't think we need a revolution (we're not quite there yet..), it's just that I know an armed revolt would not work - at all. We are too few and our "targets" would be far too many and technology makes it very easy to trach and find someone. We simply have past the point where armed revolt would be effective at all.

Therefore, I believe our only option - at present - is to fight the battle of ignorance and education. But, just in case, you can bet for damn sure that I'm ready should anything more "drastic" ocurr.

If anyone has better ideas on an effective and realistic plan for this possible revolt then I would wholeheartedly welcome the discussion. This merely my opinion (designed to provoke responses).

CMOS

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CMOS - There will be no revolt in the sense of large groups of armed citizens standing and fighting. That would ineffective.

An effective sceario would be one modeled on UC. We would only need thousands of people to make that work. We could probably get a few hundred thousand realistically.
Organization is the problem though - or lack thereof and still act in a similar time frame.

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

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Now this scares me...

Okay - Let's not even look at the theoretical 80,000,000 firearms owners... Let's limit it to the 3,000,000 NRA members... Now, if only 1% figure on the "cold dead hands" routine, that's 30,000 shooters out there - That's a significant number, and considerably larger than most "terrorist" organizations.
 
An organized group that can easily be destroyed will indeed be "Wacoed." However, if each day a different person went out alone to remove a traitor from the face of the planet, the problem would be over within a year or two.

I am not advocating any action; simply giving an example of tactics that might be used if armed revolt came about.
 
Mikul, hypothetically speaking, that plan could be effective.

It's always been a proven fact that "independent cells" can be very effective.

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
the last time we had a revolution only 1/3 supported it 1/3 opposed it and 1/3 didn't care. I don't know about the first two groups but the last group is probably about 50% today (as long as they git their slice of your paycheck)
 
Mikul:

My sentiments exactly. They better watch out, when they have taken everything there won't be anything left to loose, hypothetically speaking of course.
 
Long before active resistance starts there will be massive civil disobedience. Mahatma Ghandi was the master, Martin Luther King adopted the techniques. Civil disobedience works for two reasons. First it vividly demonstrates that laws are effective only when people voluntarily obey the law. Take away the voluntary element and the gov't has a multitude of problems they are not capable of managing. Example, civil rights movement and a future tax revolt.

Second, the clear implication that while the disobedience is at the time civil and non-violent, it could be otherwise. This reason is a clear threat to the "establishment" to back off and grant what is requested.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CMOS:
As morose as this may sound - in a way we need a revolution, but it will never happen.

There simply not enough of us. Armed revolt is not an option. Anyone participating would be dealt with like just another nutcase.

We have to attempt to find other avenues for our fight.



CMOS
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Maybe you should research the Boer war ;) it may change your mind.


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"what gives a government that arms the whole world the right to disarm it's own citizens?"

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Swatman:
Give me the titles of some books on the Boer war, I love that stuff.

I for one have had it up to here. What is the answer? I don't know. I know that in an armed revolt to make any difference you have to go about your business as usual except when you are on "a mission". Don't you think if it came to people taking up arms, the first the the gov would do is get the member lists from NRA, GOA, JFPO, 2nd Amendment foundation, gun clubs, CMP, etc? My name is on so many of those lists I would be lucky to make it out my front door alive, once the Revolution started.

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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken
 
BillX, yes, there are those lists you mentioned, plus more. Frankly, I don't think that Big Brother & Big Nanny have the troops and police necessary to round up EIGHTY MILLON "evil" gun owners. Round up some and kill them?? Of course. But, then, the word will rapidly spread and the millions of gun owners left will know that their government has become a combination of Hitlerism, Communism, and Fascism, and it's time to fight back. OR DIE!

That will be the "invitation to the dance." Afterward, the traitorous military members and cops that "just follow orders," and politicians, and media members who've urged this great horror, and all the rest who've brought us to this tragedy, will be fair game.

Will a group of patriots take their deer rifles and go hard-charging up against the King's 82nd Airborne Div., or the King's 1st Marine Div., or the King's several thousand JBT cops?? Huh uh.

There will be guerilla warfare unlike any the world has ever seen.

I have a good friend who was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam. (Two tours.) He told me that he was more worried about the Vietnamese communist sympathizers always around him and his team mates at the Base, because they NEVER knew for sure, who was a friend and who was the enemy. On a mission, they knew what to do and to whom they were to do it. But not in camp. Another good friend who was a Force Recon Marine, in Vietnam, told me the same.

Here in the U.S, the traitorous thugs would NEVER know who their enemy was, because everyone looks alike, everyone dresses alike, everyone can spout the old "Long Live The King!!" crap, while doing, uh, strange things.

What's going to happen? I'm not sure, but I believe there are two diametrically opposing ideologies that are in the process of clashing. One, the ideology of our Founding Fathers of Individual Freedom, Liberty, and Unalienable Rights, against the Marxist ideology of repression, the collective, the State above all, no Rights for the indiviual, no Freedom, and no Liberty, all enfoced at the point of Big Brother's gun.

That's why I say... "The Locomotives Continue Racing Toward Each Other."

FWIW. J.B.
 
"This country, with its institutions. belong to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excerise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

Wild eyed red neck? University of Wisconsin proffesor? Marxist? Gun nut? Berkely grad student? or ??? Can you tell me who, when and where?

Winner gets to take Feinstein's cast off :D:

RKBA!
 
How about A. Lincoln, Inaugral Address, 1861

"This country with it's institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."


I'll take the option of taking the cast off at the neck, Thank You. :)

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"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... in the several kingdoms of Europe ... the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms" (James Madison, the Federalist Papers, No. 46).

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in theregion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -Benjamin Franklin

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I wouldn't go goo-goo over old Honest Abe. He said that and then went to war against those trying to secede from the government in the bloodiest war this country has ever been involved in. During the war he suspended posse comitatus and habeus (sp?) corpus, later, only much later after he was dead and the war was over, it was found by the Supreme Court that these were unconstitutional acts. Of course it didn't matter by then. The war was over. A true case of the end justifying the means because once it was found to be unconstitutional, it was all over.

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"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." H.L. Mencken
 
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