I believe that I can hunt anything now.

You can hunt these with that gun & these things are delicious!

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My Korean house keeper uses a delicious recipe for bosintang. (I've put on 20 pounds since I started hunting these!) Just throw out a few handfuls of dog kibble and some sliced bananas, then get in your blind. I also call them in with the combination of a sub sonic dog whistle and wild chimp recordings. They're super abundant in the three mile stetch of woods half beteen the old nuke plant and the Shering Genetics Lab.

Serve with red wine and let your guests try to figure out what it is.

:rolleyes: ;) :D :p
 
1) Don't try to present the argument to me that the 270 is a better elk cartridge than the 338. I'm not interested in that discussion.
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I never said that a .270 Win was a better elk cartridge than a .338 WM, just said that it will get the job done with a good bullet and that your data was wrong on the cartridge. I said as well that most people can not shoot the .338 WM accurately out to the 300-400 yard range to take advantage of all that extra down range power. I don't think a .338 WM should be the first recommedation to someone who may/may not be up to the recoil of .338 WM. There is a big difference when you go from 50-60 grains of powder and 150 grain bullet to a 70+ grain of powder cartridge with a 200+ grain bullet.

Once TT gets used to shooting his guide gun with Buffalo Bore .45-70 ammunition then maybe a .338 WM would be a good recomendation. I think a .30-06 or .300 WM would have been a better suggestion to start off with if he needs a better elk rifle than the .270 Win. Too many times I see people in the woods with a rifle that they can't even shoot well enough to hit an elk with, most of them are the guys who think they need a magnumt to kill an elk YMMV.
 
I never said that a .270 Win was a better elk cartridge than a .338 WM, just said that it will get the job done with a good bullet and that your data was wrong on the cartridge. I said as well that most people can not shoot the .338 WM accurately out to the 300-400 yard range to take advantage of all that extra down range power.
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Sorry. Did not mean to put words in your mouth. I also agree that most people can not shoot the 338 WM well enough to make it a desirable rifle for them. But. But, with a handle like Terminator, he should be able to handle it! :)

Also, my data is not wrong, I just provided energy levels for a 150g with 2700 fps at the muzzle which is your standard over-the-counter load. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to get to 2850 fps, your will need to hand load those puppies.
 
Fellers,
An elk may run away from the circus, here in Georgia. If I see him in the woods on a deer hunt, I'll probably harvest him. Other than that, I don't foresee a chance at one. I'm a working stiff, my vacations are with my family going somewhere, or, Boy Scout camp. :D:D

As for recoil, I had a 375 H&H for a long time. It was my hog gun to be. I shot it 6 times, and had a lifetime supply of ammo left in the box. My shoulders are garbage, it my have something to do with being diagnosed as diabetic about a month ago. I could never take a lot of recoil again, unless something changes. I have kept a 45/70 for several years now, I can stand it.

In fact, I adore my 45/70. I've had two prior to this one, and this is the 2nd time that I've had this one. I'm keeping it for good. I missed it more than any that I have ever traded with. Many guns feel like objects, this one always felt like mine.

I feel that I have a decent battery, though I don't know how my current AR will be on coyotes. I've been using a 20" flattop with a bull barrel. No contest. The one that I currently have has a 16" light barrel. We'll see. I usually get to hunt them over deer guts, under or near a light on a barn, at night. We usually get at least one. This year, we are going to be trying some head goggle night vision. Maybe put the bait in a different place.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to get to 2850 fps, your will need to hand load those puppies.
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I took the MV of 2850 direct from data published on Federal's web site for their .270 Win ammo loaded with a 150 grain Nosler Partition. My data might be a little old as I saved their ballistic data back in 2007. I can get over 2900 fps but I loose accuracy when I do that out of my hand loads with no signs of pressure in my rifle.

I no longer use the .270 as my elk rifle, I have other rifles that need exercised now in larger calibers such as .338-06, .35 Whelen, and .375 Ruger. I still take the .270 as a back up/loaner when I go to elk camp because if someone needs it I'm pretty sure most of them can handle the recoil. I'm pretty happy using it as a deer rifle now as with 130 grain bullets it is by far the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. I just feel that 130 grains is a little light even using a premium bullet on elk.

TT cow hunts in NW Colorado are not out of range of the working man, but they are by no means cheap either if you live out of State. With a little internet search you can find a decent place with a chance to get into some elk with a little luck. You don't have to hire a guide just get a few guys together with some camping gear and split the costs to come out here. We have plenty of public land up here to hunt, and bring the wife, and kids and make it a family affair. Youth cow elk tags are pretty affordable even for a non-resident and you could live vicariously through them.
 
TT cow hunts in NW Colorado are not out of range of the working man, but they are by no means cheap either if you live out of State. With a little internet search you can find a decent place with a chance to get into some elk with a little luck. You don't have to hire a guide just get a few guys together with some camping gear and split the costs to come out here. We have plenty of public land up here to hunt, and bring the wife, and kids and make it a family affair. Youth cow elk tags are pretty affordable even for a non-resident and you could live vicariously through them.
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+1. I do a do-it-yourself hunt every year. We drive out. I do have the advantage of having lived in CO and WY for several years. Over the years, I've obtained all the gear we need, so now it is really just time and gas money. The latter can be spread across a couple of buds. The former alas is the challenge. My own business and two lads in travel hockey means little time for RLFD hunts:(

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n fact, I adore my 45/70. I've had two prior to this one, and this is the 2nd time that I've had this one. I'm keeping it for good. I missed it more than any that I have ever traded with. Many guns feel like objects, this one always felt like mine.
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Contrary to the debate, I'm truly only a mild 338 WM fan. What I truly love also is my 45-70 - shooting, hand-loading, everything about it. Getting off topic, though. Maybe we should start yet another 45-70 thread.
 
rlfd: the man asked what cant i hunt? my answer is: he can hunt any thing, but there are 5 species he wont be able to stop if they charge. he asked a honest question!
 
c'mon Dan. Why you gotta go remind us that we live on the wrong side of the pond as far as "real" hunting is concerned. I can't take it I tell ya!:)
 
RLFD, no worries bro, I just saw the opportunity to make a little fun of New York Elk! Were do you hunt when you come to Wyoming? I just shot a nice spike up on the Beartooths on the 1st with my .270 (140 grain Accubond at 2950 fps). I hunt Park County exclusively and there are more than enough Elk to go around up here. In fact, we see less and less people up here hunting every year. It's a shame really. We fight for our right to hunt, and people just quit participating. Anyway, Terminator, hell, I think you need a 416 Rigby in all honesty:D
 
Jaxx,

When heading to WY, we hunt near Bridger Wilderness. Now that I reside in NY, WY says that I no longer know my way around and need a guide to show me the way in Bridger.:mad:

The past two years we've hunted CO and NM. The BLM and Forest Service have lost complete control of the lands where we were in NM. It was a free-for-all. Anything goes type deal. First time there and probably the last.

We hunt near Gunnison in CO. Elk are plentiful, but so are the hunters. CO DoW has a significant presence, which keeps everyone in line. Last year our party got two nice sized cows, but I came up dry.

Right now we are debating where to put in for 2009. My guess is WY will win out.

Hunting NY elk every after work right now. Muzzle loader is in and it is very difficult to drop our elk with a ML. I really could use that 416 Rigby. :D

My apologies to TT, we are way off-topic now.
 
I just wanted to add, some 45/70 fans are quite proud of the fact that it has taken the big 5, and tests are available to show that it out penetrates the 375 H&H, in wet newsprint. This is done with modern loads.

However, were I to be in such a fictious situation, a charging elephant, or rhino, or water buff, or lion, and there was a 45/70 and a 458 mag laying there, I don't think I'd reach for the 45/70. To me, this video looks like the thrill of a lifetime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_yTNo36YOs

This is the one that I was looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgzk-C376aQ&feature=related
 
My apologies to TT, we are way off-topic now.
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No problem, these threads grow a life of their own. I don't mind in the least. In case you hadn't noticed, Art is not a thread Nazi like in some of the other forum. Right, Art. ;)

Best - Ted
 
Hey TT,

If I were a guide over yonder, I would not hesitate to carry my guide gun with hot 405 or 500 grain loads as backup or charge medicine. I can crank out loads approaching 458 win energy levels at the muzzle. A double rifle is probably faster on the second shot, though.

If I'm a client, though, trajectory limitiations unfortunately convince me to leave it in camp. :(.


Thanks for the links, BTW.
 
I dont belive that hunting Timbo, Rhino, Cape Buff, or the River Horse with a 45-70 would be my first choice. I would probably stay from Mr Kodiak and Mr Polar as well.
 
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